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"I am completely unable to get Jose Guerena's murder out of my head." INDEED!
5.28.2011Rant *On*. Choke on Your Memorial Day, America.
I am completely unable to get Jose Guerena's murder out of my head.
Maybe it's because I know I too respond to unknown situations in my home with a rifle in hand.
Maybe it's because I know I'd damned sure
respond armed and ready if my door were being kicked in. In fact, if my door were kicked in, it's safe to say my selector switch would not
be on "safe" (spare me the range safety lessons and read on, please).
That could have been me helplessly bleeding out on my own floor. That could have been my wife
held outside as I died on my floor.I AM JOSE GUERENA.
If I hear "Freedom Isn't Free", one more time, I'm going to explode. Just shut up with it. Now.
Our freedom was not won or lost in Germany, France, Vietnam, Guadalcanal, Iraq, or Afghanistan. Don't get me wrong, I'm not demeaning what went on in those places. I am not making light of the sacrifices of those who fought in those places, only emphasizing our utter failure as citizens.
Stay with me here. Freedom isn't free, and we've sold ours, or worse, given it away. A soldier can defend liberty in faraway places, but it is not his role to defend it on our shores. That is your job, and it is mine.
In this, we are abject failures.
Our nation, our ideals, our liberty has been lost, in peacetime, at home, by us.WHAT IN THE HOLY HELL IS WRONG WITH US?
We host parades, and speeches, and put flowers on graves, and talk reverently of "the brave folks who died for our freedom", AND SIT BACK AND RELAX AS POLICE RAIDS OCCUR DAILY THAT WOULD HAVE MADE THE GESTAPO AND THE KGB / NKVD PROUD!
At least their secret police didn't usually murder their victims outright.
There are not riots in our streets, America. Indiana is quiet. Arizona is quiet. We are all quiet tonight.
We have accepted Guerena's murder.WHAT DAMNED RIGHT DO WE HAVE TO PRETEND WE HONOR OUR DEAD VETERANS???WHAT IN HOLY HELL GIVES US THE RIGHT TO PRETEND WE ARE THE IDEOLOGICAL DESCENDANTS OF THE MEN WHO STOOD ON LEXINGTON GREEN???It is our meek acceptance of what has happened to our country that makes it possible for his murderers to go to work everyday, attend their Crossfit sessions, and generally live in complete and utter disdain and lack of fear of the people they kill and oppress.
Don't fool yourself, "patriot".Your government does not fear you in the least.
This is not about the "drug war", or the use of military force to kill a man who could have been simply arrested as he left for work or went for groceries (It is way
easier to kick in a door and kill the suspect than it is to gather evidence, however). It's not about if he had a rifle in hand, or whatever other extraneous bit of disinformation is thrown our way. I don't care about that.
This is about the sanctity of the home, sure, but more importantly, it is about the assumed and demonstrated right and ability of our government, at any level, to kill with impunity,
We are there, people.
We are bloody there.
So, happy Memorial Day, America.
Celebrate with your beers and cookouts and obesity and subservience. Celebrate how we urinate on the graves of the dead as we indulge in nationwide gluttony. I bet the glorious, brave, heroic hit team that gallantly pumped 60 rounds into Guerena's body will have a hell of a celebration this weekend. Maybe on the taxpayers' dime.
Choke on your Memorial Day, America. I know I have.
For meekly accepting the murder of Jose Guerena, as well as the countless others who have been killed with impunity by our government, we're not worthy of the blood that has been spilled on our behalf.
I honor Jose Guerena this Memorial Day, not as a Marine or veteran of Iraq (which he undeniably was), but as a fallen American hero, slain by the bullets of malignant and hostile enemy forces while acting the man and defending his home. Slain by people he paid, with bullets and weapons he bought.
It is, indeed, us vs. them.
I can no longer see it in any other light.
Remember Jose Guerena.
Welcome to the Insurgency.
Enjoy your hot dogs and parades.I'm staying home.
Posted by Arctic Patriot at Saturday, May 28, 2011
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Wow, that's a wake-up call. I live in Pima County, AZ and my interactions with the Sheriff's Department have always been good in spite of the fact the Sheriff Dupnik looked like a fool last January (and on other previous occasions). I've known many drug runners here as well though. Your point about being able to arrest (or just check out) Guereno at any other time hit home with me. I can't argue with that. Just like they could have nabbed David Koresh at his local bar prior to the raid on the Davidian compound. Scary stuff.
May 28, 2011 9:01 PM
Adventures in Self Reliance said...
It's no big deal. They got 3 generation of blown off soldiers. Time is coming when the wolves are the door they may appreciate the sheep dogs. Until then f*** em they are so damn smart let them save themselves.
May 28, 2011 9:02 PM
Brock Townsend said...
Excellent and posted.
May 28, 2011 9:10 PM
Adventures in Self Reliance said...
Mr. police officer I think you believe you are doing your best in a bad situation. I don't want to make your life or job more diffacult. But unlike that Marine I will shoot any who tryto come through my doors and I got a shotgun. I don't want to shoot cops and I'm sure they don't want to die. But if you you are feeling frisky that weapon will not remain on safe it will be a 12 gauge shotgun and not a throwaway AR15. I'm locked and loaded. You want some come get some.
May 28, 2011 9:44 PM
Name your various security apparatus from the despot flavor of the days gone by ... and you will find many who would say, for example ... "My interactions with the Stasi have always been good in spite of the fact the Stasi head Erich Mielke looked like a fool."
The devil rewards some ... and ruins others.
May 28, 2011 10:35 PM
Interesting how quick the cop's changed Their story from "He shot first" to " weapon was on safe" and of course They will have found drugs in the house, They always find something,I would be willing to bet that these Guy's have never came up with nothing on a search warrent. 4th ammendment be dammed
May 28, 2011 10:59 PM
Jim Bravo said...
I can't get it out of my head either.
It seems like we were just coming to grips with the recent Indiana and SCOTUS ruling on the 4th amendment and pondering the implications and bam! We get a horrible example.
I'm afraid there will be more deaths like this.
May 28, 2011 11:20 PM
The funny thing about us Americans is that we love Outlaws. We love to read about them, talk about them, brag about having known them, but we don't Kin them. At least not when they are alive. Outlaws have always been the thorns in the sides of Merchants of Progress, all the way back to the Hudson Bay Company, Rocky Mountain Fur Company, and many more. Their Outlaws were the Free Trappers.
We all know you can't Kin an Outlaw in this day and time, if you do your life of serfdom is over. But, there is always a bounty for an Outlaw's head. Ducats of the realm, and maybe a pardon to boot. Seems a serf was sold as an Outlaw. We will cry MURDER, we will debate injustice, but the WHEEL will turn. The time of FEAR has been spun on the WHEEL. The Court of the Bastard King has declared Anarchy. There is no longer any Law, 'cept the Law of Survival. It is now the time of the Outlaw and his Kin.
May 29, 2011 12:18 AM
John Robert Mallernee said...
Patriot, Et Alii:
I only want to correct you on something, which is always a sore point with me.
We do NOT "celebrate" Memorial Day.
Memorial Day is not appropriate for parades, fireworks, or celebrations.
Memorial Day is to be solemnly observed.
Memorial Day is a MILITARY holiday, intended as a remembrance of our MILITARY dead.
There are three hundred and sixty-four OTHER days of the year when folks can decorate the graves of those who didn't serve in our military forces.
Memorial Day and Veterans Day are NOT the same thing.
Memorial Day is for honoring our military dead.
Veterans Day is for honoring our LIVING military veterans.
Veterans Day is appropriate for public celebrations, and especially, parades in full regalia.
Both Veterans Day and Memorial Day are EXCELLENT opportunities to visit local schools and teach children.
A little known fact of Memorial Day is that it began during the waning years of the War Between The States as a purely SOUTHERN tradition, when mothers and widows would decorate the graves of their Confederate dead.
This quaint and courtly custom was noticed and plagiarized by a Yankee general from Illinois, John A. Logan, and Decoration Day became Memorial Day.
Even that couldn't be left alone, but contemporary powers that be have changed the traditional Memorial Day observance on the Thirtieth of May to the last Monday in May, to create a long holiday weekend for thoughtless CELEBRATIONS!!!
By the way, General John A. Logan is entombed in the cemetery at the Armed Forces Retirement Home in Washington, D.C., which is where I lived before I transferred down here to Mississippi.
Once, following a day of festive celebration at the annual Celtic Festival and Scottish Gathering of Southern Maryland, a clansman drove me back to the Soldiers' Home, and commented, "This sure looks like a nice place to live, but why are all the buildings named after Yankee generals?"
John Robert Mallernee
Armed Forces Retirement Home
Gulfport, Mississippi 39507
May 29, 2011 1:56 AM
Underground Carpenter said...
There is a mistaken notion that the US military fights for "the people." They do not and never have. They fight for a government, and they kill whomever our "leaders" tell them to kill. But it's OK because they're "sacrificing" for "us." I know I feel much better every time there's one less wedding party in Afghanistan. (Heavy sarcasm.)
I know it sounds cool to say, "Resist, by any means necessary," but do you really want to be a martyr? Wouldn't it be better to live? Since I doubt you could gather 100 million(or even just 10) gun-owners to shoot up Washington DC, would you really have any chance at all by yourself? Face it, the vast majority of people in this country are solidly behind their government, and even the SWAT executions. They know they're being abused, but they think it's better than the alternative of no government. They're wrong, of course.
Better to back slowly out of the room. Find a freer place(I don't know either) and move there. Better to live for your ideas. Sacrificing your life would be pointless.
May 29, 2011 2:52 AM
Toaster 802 said...
Quoted and linked at http://greenmnts.blogspot.com/2011/05/we-are-all-jose-guerena-now.html
May 29, 2011 4:34 AM
Disciple of Night said...
Jan Brewer was really making me like AZ until this happened.
May 29, 2011 5:24 AM
Of course these taxpayer supported thugs don't fear the citizenry that they seem to revel in oppressing. They probably don't need to because most folks don't have the willpower nor the skills to challenge them. I wonder however if they fear the righteous anger that the Marines who served with Jose Guerena in Iraq must have over this?
How do those who are actively serving in our armed forces resolve the action of these thugs to themselves? They are far from home, sacrificing their lives and possibly their life to fight oppression and tyranny.....and back home, we seem to have our very own Gestapo busting down doors and shooting veterans. How in the HELL can the oppressors expect to continue this type of crap without there eventually being some righteous retribution?
Having said all that, it's not our soldiers place to fight this, it's time for those of us here at home getting fat, lazy and stupid to man up (or woman up in the case of the lovely Ms. Barnhardt) and honor them and their efforts by raising holy hell. This will eventually get very ugly for the thugs. That much is inevitable.
I don't know what to do until then other than prepare yourself mentally and physically to take action when it's time. And if that means taking 60 bullets for Team Freedom when they bust down your door, that will be a tragedy. But at that moment, the essence of your principles and what you believe in will prevent you from doing anything else.
May 29, 2011 5:44 AM
Cry havoc! And let slip the dogs of war...
May 29, 2011 6:11 AM
I hope Mr. Self Reliance is planning nothing but head shots and pelvis shots. Shotguns are about worthless against body armor (yes, even with slugs)....and if it's a pump and not an auto ....you're really screwed.
May 29, 2011 8:50 AM
Craig Cavanaugh said...
AP, we are Jose Guerena. We have been, and will continue to be until WE DO SOMETHING to put a stop to it. It is us vs. them. And they've got us just where they want us...
May 29, 2011 10:35 AM
This has hit home with me also brother, it just keeps churning around up there and really in world gone mad I could not understand why this one incident has gotten me so angry.
Then it hit me yesterday.
I as you am Jose Guerena.
We are all Jose Guerana...
This was personal not abstract.
There are things that no one could forecast that turn into watershed moments. Almost as if God has whispered in our ear...
"Now do you see the evil my son?"
Yes Lord I see.
So instead of some farcical celebration there will be contacts made, uncomfortable words spoken, and plans formed.
Nothing will be the same for us will it.
To Jose where ever you may be ... safeties are off.
May 29, 2011 10:40 AM
I'm with you 110%. I too am sick of this, I don't even know what to say anymore, nobody gives a flying fuk about anything and I'm tired of trying to wake people up.
They don't care, unless you try to disrupt their parades and parties, that's enough to rile them up.
Semper Fi, 0321
May 29, 2011 11:55 AM
Reg T said...
IIRC, Jose Guerena had either family or friends who suffered a home invasion not long before he was murdered by PIma County SWAT. It is my belief Jose saw the undercover officer doing his drive-bys and followed him because he thought it was a bad guy (it was, of course, just a different gang) casing the area.
I would be willing to bet that the SWAT gang didn't like being checked out by Jose, didn't approve of him running their license plates. So they got a warrant (anybody get to see it or read it? Didn't specify what they were looking for, did it?), broke in and shot him, then waited for him to bleed out. Instead of doing a search of the house while he was at work, or arresting him on the street. It was "personal" at that point. "You don't mess with SWAT."
Between Davis-Montham and Fort Huachuca, there are a lot of active military in the area, as well as retired military. Allow me to fantasize that one or more of them might step up to the plate on Memorial Day and take a bite in Jose Guerena's honor. Pulled pork makes the best BBQ.
May 29, 2011 1:12 PM
I have read everyone's comment, but the attitude of the one call "underground" even if I understand, I can't agree with it, that attitude of " we can't beat the government" has been the reason why we're were we're. no more no less. In fact, just because this happen to someone else, ( many if I add others ) do not mean that tomorrow will not be one of us.
Remember? they came for the Jews and I did nothing, because I was not one of them.
They came for black's and did nothing either, because I'm not black.
They came for christians, well I did nothing, because I don't believe in God... and so forth...
An the end, you going to be alone, because no one else is there to be with you to fight.
Maybe is me, and few more like me, but I believe that if we don't stand up, speak up and fight back, no matter how long we think we can stay safe, the fact is that they are coming for all of us, and I refuse to be the pray, if I going to died, that for many of us, will be no matter what, at least I going to died fighting back, and that I'm sure off.
So you see, it's ok that you feel that way, because seems to be that you already give up, but those that have your aptitude will help others to be ready, because most of those that think that way, will be the first one's to go.
You want your country back... them stand up, speak up and NEVER SURRENDER... unite and be AMERICANS, ALL AS ONE. that is how you have to do it, nothing can be the spirit of the warrior, and this Nation has many of them...
We are living the same things the founders did, different enemy and different war, but none the less the fight will be for the same things... so are you ready? are you preparing yourself, by join your State militia with your family so everyone can learn how to protect themselves? I suggest you do if you didn't yet.
May god be with all of you, and those you love.
God Bless the Republic of the USA and Her true patriots.!!
" If you are not willing to fight for Freedom, you don't deserve to be free. Thomas Jefferson.
May 29, 2011 4:17 PM
Miss Violet said...
I find myself thinking about Jose Guerena a lot also.
I think hollywood has conditioned citizens to swat type raids from police shows. That and the nonsense that you must be guilty of something unless you spill your guts to them. People are stupid/lazy about their rights so the police get away with that crap.
I always loved the Patriotic holidays. Always flew the flag. Now I can't hardly look at the flag of these united States because the country I loved no longer exists.
One reader states we should move to someplace that has more freedom. Where would that be? Pray, tell me, please, I would seriously consider going. The answer is, of course, such a place does not exist. I keep imagining living under more and more govt rule...like england, china, etc., trying to imagine going about life and trying to savor the little things in life that make it worth living... It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
There will be no fried chicken, no potato salad, and no beer here this memorial day weekend. It will be a solemn weekend of thought and decision.
Perhaps a black armband would be more in the spirit of the situation ...
P.S. To anyone that grumbles that I didn't capitalize a word or two...it was done on purpose. Purpose being...Contempt.
May 29, 2011 5:20 PM
Will Jose Guerena be the Crispus Attucks of the 21st century?
May 29, 2011 5:20 PM
These incidents are getting more blatant and less disguised as we sit back and wait.
Wait for WHAT I ask?
Another state to decide that we have no rights in our homes.
Another law to be passed in closed door back rooms by Our Congress that takes away even more of our liberties.
Another tax-payer supported enforcement agency (and there are more than you may imagine) to take the life of you or another family member.
What is the point of decision, and of no return? When does it stop getting overlooked, ignored or worse of all accepted?
I will do my part and stand with any who honor our Constitution and the legacy of those who created our Country, those who believe tht our rights and liberties were originally and are still worth defending. If the need arises I will stand alone, swearing at the cowardice of those hiding behind shuttered windows.
I pledge my life, my fortune and my sacred honor.
For "We must indeed hang together or we shall absolutely hang seperately."
Where are the patriots and believers?
May 29, 2011 5:49 PM
@Adventures in Self Reliance
Spare us the "sheep dog" talk. The "sheep dogs" were the ones kicking in that door and thousands of others in the US and abroad. The "sheep dogs" enforce the will of the masters, be they raiding your home or dropping bombs on the other side of the world. Killers in the service of tyranny, be they ignorant or amoral. They are not our benefactors, and I feel sick about having joined their ranks.
May 29, 2011 7:08 PM
I beg to differ. Indiana is *not* quiet. There was a protest at the capital for those that think that will do something. I do not.
There are many of us working/calculating/discussing plans of action with fellow citizens, legislators, judges and yes, Mitch Daniels staff who believe this decision was a mistake at the least. It's the AG, Zoeller that is the problem.
This will *not* stand. As do you, many of us answer the door armed as well as carry 24/7. Woe be it to the arrogant SWAT ninjas that mistakenly come to a home of a law abiding citizen. Sadly, the recent decision isn't a help to either citizens or police, rather it's a set up for disaster.
The Senate R Leadership has already sent a polite but scathing letter to the majority Justices suggesting they have made a moral and legal error and are reqesting a re-hearing and/or a reversal.
People are effing *pissed* at this. Granted, not enough folks even understand it, but there are enough of us to fix this problem one way or another.
So, it is decidedly not quiet. Still water runs deep as they say. MSM isn't reporting this since they don't know about this activity and they probably wouldn't if they did anyway as it doesn't sell papers.
This wll be a summer of action. Stay tuned.
Unsigned, since I totally distrust my? gov't...
May 29, 2011 9:04 PM
Arctic Patriot said...
I wish you success.
I am somewhat invested in Indiana's immediate future, as my parents and several siblings live in the northern part of your state (although I never did, personally).
I hope your summer can be a model of a successful rollback effort.
I fear that before that can happen, disaster will strike, as it seems to have been made inevitable.
Thank you for your efforts.
May 29, 2011 9:43 PM
Jim Bravo said...
Will Jose Guerena be the Crispus Attucks of the 21st century?
God, I hope so. This country should be better than what is tolerated.
I think we have more than enough for a disclaimer of Intolerable Acts, between recent developments and those cataloged in "III to Liberty".
Understand that legitamacy for future acts must be built upon past acts by a tyrannical government. We must present the case, because it is being built for us. It all but needs framing for the rational, but distracted mind.
May 30, 2011 1:30 AM
Underground Carpenter said...
You're missing something. A big something. The reason we have a police state is because the vast majority of people in this country want it. And it's not because they're "sheep." They are people just like you, with the same concerns about feeding their family and carrying on with their lives.
The only difference between you and the people you call sheep is a difference of opinion about what freedom is. The "sheep" are not blind to the abuses. They just think that a police state is better than anarchy. I think they're wrong, but that is truly an opinion.
So if you want to fight for "freedom", you have more people to fight than just police, military, and letter-agencies. You'll have to fight your neighbor. And from his perspective, you're trying to force your minority position on him. Which makes you no better than a SWAT team.
Think about it before you start heaping abuse.
May 30, 2011 2:46 AM
We have already reached and on track to exceed Mao levels of death. They will not stop but only get worse. Why a certain priest tells KoC members to own a firearm and learn it. Why stop at defenseless babies and the infirm? The culture of death requires blood sacrifices for their master.
Look at the paganistic world around you and it is not shocking nor surprising. Heck we have all been jabbering about this for some time. A solidarity movement with teeth is required at this stage, and at this point would be perfect. The death cultus is too weak to just straight jack everybody on their list because currently that would be pushing it way too far to be palatable. This is changing after all the pin prick attacks and with every war of aggression sanctioned.
May 30, 2011 5:51 AM
"We have already reached and on track to exceed Mao levels of death. "
This is a blatant lie.
May 30, 2011 3:14 PM
Craig Cavanaugh said...
So You say.
May 30, 2011 3:39 PM
Craig Cavanaugh said...
Rollory, you need to review history. The American and foreign dead due to war, the abortions, the death by cops... Mao would have been proud.
May 30, 2011 4:04 PM
Jimmy the Saint said...
"I as you am Jose Guerena.
We are all Jose Guerana..."
No, we're not. The absolute most anyone will do is surreptitiously flip off a cop. Even the guys who promise "100 heads," "no more Wacos," etc.
No one will do anything. We know it. They know it.
May 30, 2011 8:30 PM
Now that I have hit my mid-forties, my perspective has changed greatly.
Yes, a lot of people (myself) spend WAY too much time on the internet, but if it serves no other purpose than to pass information and educate the non-sheep. The more I read, the better educated and more disgusted I get with our political leaders, the militarization of the police and the utter desire from a certain segment to obtain complete control over us all....until we're disarmed, harmless servants.
Those of you out blogging, videotaping, informing etc have given my strength and courage that I never knew I had, despite serving five years in the military.
I've read enough, seen enough and am intelligent enough to know that we have already done everything we can within the boundaries of "civility" to right this ship. The time has passed.
I now realize that I'd love to see my daughter finish college and walk her down the aisle someday. I'd love to spend more time with my awesome 23 y/o son, who amazed me with his intellect on a daily basis. Thing is, there are some really BAD times ahead, some SHTF action. I would much rather it occurs sooner rather than later.
I don't wish to die, nor leave my family, but the time's fast approaching where there will be NO option. I'm NOT going to start it, as it will almost certainly be the result of the .gov folks through another WACO another 70+ round fusillade fired into a father in front of his wife, another SOMETHING, a catalyst that brings some of you out there.
Am I a coward for waiting? Maybe, but I can't see how hurting another human being unprovoked will help me. Now if there's a war going on, I am "in". I have no fear of dying, but I fear being remembered by my family as a coward.
I remember my 103 lb. wife commenting on Saddam's hanging. That he calmly and defiantly walked to the gallows to his death with balls. No begging, no speeches, just kind of like a "let's get it on" type attitude. Soon, someone's gonna "light this candle". We may win and I may noy live to se it. Neither did Nathan Hale, but I still admire the man over 200 years later. Balls!
May 30, 2011 10:36 PM
Is this what Nepalitano meant when she said America's returning War on Terror vets are a threat to domestic security? Is this how it starts with the left pointing the civil police and military units at us?
May 31, 2011 2:22 AM
Great post, which inspired me.
You are linked in my latest:
"We are Jose Guerena" at thebonnieblueblog.blogspot.com.
Take care and keep fighting the good fight.
May 31, 2011 8:23 AM
J. Croft said...
Um, update: Veronica Guernera reported during her arrest that the AR-15 wasn't Jose's-it was a throw down.
Why target Jose? Why throw down a AR-15?
The SWAT team sent in was amateurish in conduct and execution... not meant as a pun.
Juse Guernera worked double shifts at a mine. Miners typically aren't the type to be slanging dope.
The why of this by Pima county is becoming more and more interesting.
May 31, 2011 2:22 PM
I AM JOSE GUERENA.
May 31, 2011 4:56 PM
Jose was my brother, I too am a Marine.
Semper Fidelis, 0321
May 31, 2011 8:43 PM
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