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AtlasAikido
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« Reply #105 on: 2015-November-13 09:17:59 PM »



Your reply is a mindless, thoughtless, pedantic chant and a great disappointment.

"Intellectual honesty [involves] knowing what one does know, constantly expanding one's knowledge, and NEVER evading or failing to correct a contradiction. This means: the development of an ACTIVE mind as a permanent attribute." Ayn Rand

I have read other things that you have published. It is not possible that you fail to understand my last two postings, therefore I conclude that you are either being deliberately obstinate or that you have some perverse reason to be baiting me. Whatever your motive is, I find no rational opposition and have neither reason nor desire to continue this discourse.

Closing private property is a personal choice of the owner. Closing national borders is a violation of NAP. It violates my right to trade with invited vendors (see my Hoppe article) and it violates my right to freely travel to visit other people. When you abandon principles (NAP), you become part of the problem. The NAP is the guide and principle by which you separate the charlatans, sophists, nihilists and hermeneutists.

Serious Libertarians and the NAP is again under serious attack by clever charlatans, sophists, nihilists and hermeneutists with
 PhDs and foreign accents. For reasons unknown his peers will not point out is logical errors. I did!
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« Reply #106 on: 2015-November-13 10:32:07 PM »

Mal Roarke replied to the topic Lew Rockwell on immigration in the forum General 1 day, 1 hour ago

Hoppe’s logic flaw was exposed back in 2008. Many people (Lew Rockwell?) seem to be making the same error. Rather than re-publish, here is the link.

More arguments FOR Open Borders—this time (unbeknownst to him) from the pen of Hans-Hermann Hoppe!

http://tinyurl.com/Hoppe-border

I used the ideas presented by Dennis Lee Wilson (author of the above ) to respond and tease that out here as it pertains:
http://bionicmosquito.blogspot.com/2015/11/open-borders-case-study.html?m=1

AnonymousNovember 7, 2015 at 4:36 PM

Hello bionicmosquito, not sure if a prior post reached you.


I sometimes read: “We need as many converts as we can get etc” including and regarding open borders etc etc.


I say shennaggins to that.


It’s not necessary to convert nor petition others…nor is it necessary to adopt methods of those I despise to make people do things to the extent that it is a torn compromise.

Nor to social engineer…nor to convince, nor to run after people, nor to be in constant mediation mode, nor to have no idea with whom I dealing with.

Individuals still don’t know their own power.

"Build your own model instead of fighting the existing. You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” ~ R. Buckminster Fuller

To this day many are unaware of Spontaneous Order of individuals in society and Methodological Individualism and human ignorance in making calculations for others.

Mathew Reece posted this as it relates liberty (dot) me/discuss/t/tucker-vs-cantwell-on-REFUGEES/

And I posted this: Natural laws playing out. Spontaneous order looks chaotic. However there IS a Self Correcting taking place here.

Both Tucker and Cantwell offer strategies, mind sets etc. Jeffrey is pointing out that NON INTERFERENCE with migration will allow individuals to SORT OUT what Statism deems impossible without command control, social engineering etc

Cantwell falls for the WE have an emergency what are WE going to do? And the We-ist traps that come from such!

There is no WE!

Tinyurl (dot) com/there-is-no-we


...Who would have foreseen individual European women Spontaneuosly demanding self protection (from rape) in the form of hand guns (the ultimate NAP solution to victim disarmement) in orders of magnitude such that they cleaned out all the retail gun outlet supplies in Germany in response to the flood of migrants in the EU. What started with a few women and outlets apparently affected a whole country!


As it relates to safety and protection snd shelter, in the interim I suspect those undividuaks who have direct access to barges, boats, yachts and ships in Germany have a leveraged escape from recent mass migration flooding. Not the least of which is usually extra stored food supply and access to fishing.

Those who are owners of vessels around the world could start to offer and post craigs list alternatives outside of the nation state.

The flood of migrants could be rapidly solved via cargo ship seasteads and or shipping containers.


Will the seastead take off like a bitcoin BLOCK CHAIN equivalent? I do not know. It certainly has rapid application on many levels.

One possibility is that entrepreneurs and shipping owners (see below) who use PRIVATE security and insurance companies who insure them and households and property in Germany etc may be incentivized to step in and offer tankers (Seasteads) and shipping containers to offload some of the mass migration pressure in EU.

Empty, self powered, and proven seaworthy tankers are actually floating on the ocean TODAY...

And the US is currently shipping 200,000 empty containers monthly back overseas out of LA alone.


Forget about waiting for permission for open space utilization in Australia or utilization to use China's ghost cities...

Here is a New Model as Fuller proposes:


Indeed: Stop dreaming and start building some REAL sea steads.
connect.liberty (dot) me/stop-dreaming-and-start-building-some-real-sea-steads/

Long live open borders.



Cheers, AtlasAikido.



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gpondNovember 10, 2015 at 3:17 PM

I did not read *all* of the comments here, but I wish to make one. Ending socialism and handouts is not sufficient to allow open borders. One might need to change even one's climate to a less desirable one in order to discourage immigration across an open border.

In the end, I'm not for borders either. But I am for property lines. As the state has confused the very concept of property by proclaiming to own 'public' property, then I believe BM's practical solution for a non-libertarian world - this world - to be correct.

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AnonymousNovember 11, 2015 at 1:17 PM

Freedom to Travel is a natural right.

What better way to break the State welfare system than to overload it and rush it to its logical, economic conclusion--i.e. collapse, rather than dragging along for another 5 decades.

The welfare system in the USA (I can't speak for Europe per se) has written rules forbidding welfare to NON-citizens, and yet THE RULES ARE IGNORED BY THE GOVERNMENT WELFARE EMPLOYEES.

For a much better presentation than I can possibly give here, see details at
tinyurl (dot) com/Ask-Right-Question

AtlasAikido

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bionic mosquitoNovember 11, 2015 at 3:21 PM

Freedom to leave is a right, of some sort, assuming one has not voluntarily agreed to stay as part of an exchange.

Freedom to leave one place does not automatically grant a freedom to enter another, however. No one has freedom to enter property without the owner's permission.

AnonymousNovember 11, 2015 at 7:08 PM

Perverse incentive of govt is that it creates conflict where none exists. This is the divide and conquer tactic brilliantly described at following link.

"Divide and Conquer: The Globalist Pathway to New World Order Tyranny from an International Perspective"
By Joachim Hagopian

October 17, 2015

Lewrockwell (dot) com/2015/10/joachim-hagopian/divide-and-conquer/


Freedom to travel is not INcompatible with private property.

By talking freedom to enter and exit you are ignoring an important principle. By focusing on the alleged right to enter and exit you ignore the important principle of freedom to travel. You are also conflating private property you own with "the commons" which you do NOT own.

Inspite of all the crap professor Hoppe publishes about what he thinks "the commons" SHOULD be, in today's world ownership of "the commons" is claimed by govt.

You own your private property. You can legitimately deny access to it. But you do not own "the commons" and you CANNOT deny access to it no matter what Hoppe and Lew Rockwell says.

The principle is freedom to travel not the freedom to enter and exit thru some govt claimed boundary.

I am "in" your country but I am not "in" your house!

You have conflated your house with the country. You have conflated private property with govt claimed public property i.e "the commons"

No one is contesting your control over private property but you don't own the commons. You get to use it and don't get to deny use of it by anyone else!

"The problem of “illegals” crossing the border and trespassing on private lands would VANISH INSTANTLY if the armed guards and the gates were removed from the “legal” border crossings and people were allowed to freely cross in either direction. (It actually used to be that way—and guess what, there was no incentive to trespass on private lands.)"

tinyurl (dot) com/Ask-Right-Question

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AnonymousNovember 11, 2015 at 7:10 PM

There is no social contract!

Pararphrased from Marc Stevens A “nation” is composed of “citizens,” and a “citizen” is supposed to be a member of a political body (“nation”) who owes a duty of allegiance in return for a duty of protection.

To have the duty of owing allegiance requires reciprocal serve and protect from the political body. Since there is no reciprocal duty to serve and protect there is no owed duty of allegiance…

You might have heard that police have no duty to protect you. It might come as a surprise though, that the laws says you have a legal duty to protect them.

christophercantwell (dot) com/2015/08/29/who-protects-who/

The “Social Contract” With the Government Is a Fraud
By Bill Bonner
Jun 3, 2013
lfb (dot) org/the-social-contract-with-the-government-is-a-fraud/

Excerpt: The “social contract,”... is a fraud. You can’t have a contract unless you have two willing and able parties. They must come together in a meeting of the minds — a real agreement about what they are going to do together.

But what is the “social contract” with government? There was never a meeting of the minds. The deal was forced on the public. And now imagine that you want out. Can you simply “break the contract”? You refuse to pay your taxes and refuse to be bossed around by TSA agents and other government employees. How long will it be before you are put in jail?

What kind of contract is it that you don’t agree to and can’t get out of? They can dress it up… print out a piece of paper… have a solemn ceremony in which everyone pretends it is a real contract. But it’s not worth the paper it’s not written on.

Also, what kind of a contract allows for one party to unilaterally change the terms of the deal? Congress passes new laws almost every day. The bureaucracy issues new edicts. The tax system is changed. The pound of flesh they got already wasn’t enough; now they want a pound and a half!

Here are the critical questions: Why do we let other people tell us what to do; are we not all equal? What is the purpose of government? What does it cost, and what benefits does it confer?

Excerpt from "Ask the Right Question": In summary we CANNOT make ourselves free by advocating and supporting Statist programs and views! The xenophobic obsession with immigration control blinds some “libertarians” to our real, common enemy.

The unhampered free market correctly allocates resources to their best use. Interventionism changes the allocation so that resources are applied to uses that are not beneficial to a society. Government loves to create roadblocks to entry into fields of choice. Control of freedom of travel and association are political as well as literal roadblocks. Immigration control, i.e. control of movement across lines on a map—such as the Berlin Wall, is a HALLMARK of Statist programs for prevention of liberty and free trade.

Furthermore, the obsessed "libertarians" have abandoned the Non-Aggression Principle and the principles of laissez-faire Capitalism. They have created two new and unnecessary enemies for themselves, the alleged “illegals”--who could be and should be recruited as valuable allies--and their former fellow libertarians whose rights they now tread upon.



How can a free, sovereign individual—of any race--be “illegal”?

Laissez nous faire!

Live and Let Live!

AtlasAikido

bionic mosquitoNovember 11, 2015 at 8:13 PM

I find this difficult to read due to your rude language; I have skimmed it. I am sure I have missed something important - perhaps you might consider the consequences of introducing such language.

You are incorrect to suggest "commons" or that the government "owns" something (I fell into this trap in the past, there is no shame in it). To make a long story short, government "owns" nothing. It possesses stolen goods.

"Own" implies legitimacy - are you suggesting that property possessed by the government has come into its possession through legitimate means?

But if you read my post and at least considered it, you would have addressed what I actually wrote instead of what you wish I wrote.

AnonymousNovember 12, 2015 at 2:08 PM

Hoppe's logic flaw was exposed back in 2008. Many people (Lew Rockwell?) seem to be making the same error. Rather than re-publish, here is the link.

More arguments FOR Open Borders—this time (unbeknownst to him) from the pen of Hans-Hermann Hoppe!

tinyurl (dot) com/Hoppe-border

Hoppe distorts and contradicts his own arguments--and that because of his semi-slick rhetoric and loose logic, he is no "friend" to libertarians.

MY position is that his support and popularity is testament to the gullibility of many otherwise sensible people at Mises Institute and elsewhere.

I have also answered you with a post that speaks to examples of methodological individualism and Spontaneous Order in Germany. You did not respond to that first post where I answer the following question with such examples as how criminal elements that exist in all populations is being dealt with by women using NAP principle and arming themselves...

P. 44 of Wendy McElroy’s ebook “The Art of Being Free”: providedbyliberty.me:
“…order espoused by Mises and Hayek was a spontaneous one in which individuals pursued their own diverse interests without coordination by a central authority. What does such an order look like?”

Mises is quoted as saying people are stupified when the phenomena of spontaneous order is pointed out. Wendy McElroy explains it in The Art of Being Free. Gene Callahan addresses it in Economics for Real People. The latter is free at Mises.org

There are two schools. One that believes human ignorance needs to be command controlled and social engineered, which is what some here are proposing. The other is NON Interference, which is what Mises and Hayek and Jeffrey Tucker propose and which I point out specific examples of.

I too am not chipper about how Hoppe's corruption of logic has blossomed and spread to Lew Rockwell. *In the next post I will address your post specific to that*.

I prefer Free Immigration-the alleged security issue by George Reisman as it relates to Non Aggression Principle.

AtlasAikido

AnonymousNovember 12, 2015 at 2:10 PM

Hoppe seems to go out of his way to twist and distort libertarian principles to fit some non-libertartan purpose, especially the Open Borders issue. And he brings with him an academic veneer of credibility that very few are inclined to challenge directly.

Instead they give him a pass, apologizing for him with words like "earnestly attempts" or making allowance for English being his second language. The man is a professor and is trained in logic, he does not deserve a pass for gross and deliberate errors!

Von Mises never got a pass for those reasons, nor did he seem to expect one. No one apologizes for what Mises said, because no apology is needed. I wonder what he would think of this spectacle.

Roads are made for travel. As such they support and promote the libertarian view of freedom to associate. As long as a co-owner--AND HIS GUESTS-- can travel on the road, the purpose is satisfied. Denying travel (i.e. closing the road at an arbitrary border) is contrary to the purpose of roads and the freedom to Associate.

Public roads end at your driveway or your real HOA, not imaginary. If you want to block off your private property, put up a fence and gate.

All of this is integral with Ownership and Hoppe uses Ownership in his theory of roads in an attempt to close the borders. *I*, as one of his "owners", object to his blocking MY access to what HE says that I own.

Mr Hoppe's own argument for the CO-ownership of roads is sufficient grounds for having OPEN borders.

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This might be a less complicated way of saying the same thing.

On a discussion group, in response to the question

"Now, how do we satisfy the very legitimate concerns of (y)our fellow taxpayers who

A) paid for the same roadways, and
B) don't want them here?"

"Zack Bass" rightly pointed out the following:

"We all get to use the Road; no one gets a Veto."

As a legitimate owner of the "public property", and of private property within the territory commonly known as the United States, *I* issue a standing, open invitation to any and all individuals in the world to use the "public" property of which *I* am a legitimate owner!

Furthermore, I know of other legitimate owners of this public property in the U.S. who hold the same view.

The pictures of immigrants are of them on the roads between open fields. The only time they have to cross over property is when govt blocks the roads with armed soldiers or barbed wire fences.

'This Is What The "Invasion Of Europe" Looks Like'

zerohedge (dot) com/news/2015-10-29/what-invasion-europe-looks

My position is they are Refugees (not invading but fleeing from the invasion of their country by USA and EU) and certainly not immigrants. To accuse refugees of invasion is a disigenious reversal of cause and effect.

m.facebook (dot) com/activistpost/photos/pb.128407570539436.-2207520000.1446490910./963585587021626/?type=3&source=54&refid=17

I concur with: "Using roads for travel *IS WHY* roads are constructed!! Put gates at your driveway if ones wants to block off your private property!"

Your position (and I do actually have some strong empathy for it) is very well represented in "Secession, the State, and the Immigration Problem" by Hans-Hermann Hoppe wherein he attempts to justify a rejection of the libertarian view of freedom of travel and open borders.

In an otherwise excellent article, there is a fatal flaw in his logic, just before he presents his conclusion that "the moral status of public property as expropriated private property" is "sufficient grounds for rejecting the open border proposal".

tinyurl (dot) com/Hoppe-border
More arguments FOR Open Borders—this time (unbeknownst to him) from the pen of Hans-Hermann Hoppe!

AtlasAikido

bionic mosquitoNovember 12, 2015 at 7:13 PM

This may come as a surprise to you, but I am not Hans Hoppe. I am not concerned with his contradictions, if any. Perhaps you should address your numerous comments to him.

“As a legitimate owner of the "public property", and of private property within the territory commonly known as the United States, *I* issue a standing, open invitation to any and all individuals in the world to use the "public" property of which *I* am a legitimate owner! Furthermore, I know of other legitimate owners of this public property in the U.S. who hold the same view.”

Now you are finally coming to the relevant issue. You are *a* legitimate owner of this so-called public property, but not the *only* legitimate owner. You may know *other* legitimate owners who agree, but there are also *other* legitimate owners who disagree.

There are, of course, many owners of this so-called public property who would choose the opposite of what you and your cohorts choose. In a private property world, either choice (by the owner) is acceptable in libertarian theory – and practice. But we do not live in a private property world.

We live in a world where property owned by me is controlled by someone else. Of course, the same property is owned by you yet controlled by someone else. How shall a libertarian settle this very non-libertarian issue? Shall we take a vote – majority rules? Shall we elect a strong-man to build a fence, or bold woman to place no bounds? I know: let’s write a constitution with a bill of rights, make a “social contract.”

Not very libertarian.

There is no libertarian solution that can resolve this issue of the right to use so-called public property in a non-libertarian world – a difference of opinion where either answer would be perfectly acceptable in a libertarian world.

Hence I come to the side of closed borders. The borders to my own property are closed. This is very libertarian (and a position you seem to accept, more below). From this completely libertarian position, I extend my argument.

I notice in your statement (cited above) that while you opened your “public property” to all comers, you did not open your private property to others. Therefore, I conclude you agree with my position of closed borders or you are stuck in a contradiction every bit as perplexing as the one you claim to pin on Hoppe.

But remember: I am not Hoppe.

AnonymousNovember 13, 2015 at 6:34 PM

Our "common" or "shared" property is a system of roads, and the function of roads is travel and has been since before recorded history.

If you build barriers on our "common" roads, you deny me and my guest access. Yet if there are no barriers on the road you are denied nothing. You can still barricade the property of which you are sole owner.

The contradiction is yours not mine.

AnonymousNovember 13, 2015 at 6:36 PM

Bionic "I am not Hoppe".

You are absolutely right and I apologize--for assuming from some of your statements--that you had adopted or supported views regarding road systems and owners that Hoppe has proposed.

The US government is very clear about their claim to the USA roads system. The USA government for faudently claims to represent the people, yet no vote on road usage has ever being taken. Instead the USA bureaucracy simply extorts funding for road construction and dictates a changing set of rules regarding road usage. I do not agree with nor do I support the system, but it is what currently exists.

In the "Secession, the State, and the Immigration Problem" article  that I refer to Hoppe has been very clear about his views of who ought to be the owners of the road system. Since you rightly maintain that you are not Hoppe, please clarify and enlighten as to how you think the USA road system should be owned.

Do you or would you own the piece that touches your property? Do you own it all? Do you own none of it? Do you own an undivided part of it along with me? What Is your claim to the road system?

I think you mentioned an HOA homeowners association? Is it a voluntary or compulsory membership? If compulsory please explain how it is different from the current USA government?

bionic mosquitoNovember 13, 2015 at 6:56 PM

“…the function of roads…”

And on the eighth day, God snapped out of his slumber and said, “Let there be graded surfaces sufficient for easy travel, with tunnels blasted out of mountains and bridges built over rivers. And on these graded surfaces let rock beds form sufficient to carry loads of four-legged beasts and eighteen-wheelers and let asphalt and concrete flow freely until the surface is hard and smooth.”

The “function” of roads has nothing to do with nothing. This passes for reason at C4SS and with the vulgar Carson, but not here.

“…how you think the USA road system should be owned.”

This is an entirely different question on an entirely different topic. You introduced the statement that you grant permission to *your* public property. I pointed out your contradiction, which continues to flash in bright lights.

Anonymous

Your reply is a mindless, thoughtless, pedantic chant and a great disappointment.

"Intellectual honesty [involves] knowing what one does know, constantly expanding one's knowledge, and NEVER evading or failing to correct a contradiction. This means: the development of an ACTIVE mind as a permanent attribute." Ayn Rand

I have read other things that you have published. It is not possible that you fail to understand my last two postings, therefore I conclude that you are either being deliberately obstinate or that you have some perverse reason to be baiting me. Whatever your motive is, I find no rational opposition and have neither reason nor desire to continue this discourse.

Closing private property is a personal choice of the owner. Closing national borders is a violation of NAP. It violates my right to trade with invited vendors (see my Hoppe article) and it violates my right to freely travel to visit other people. When you abandon principles (NAP), you become part of the problem. The NAP is the guide and principle by which you separate the charlatans, sophists, nihilists and hermeneutists.

Serious Libertarians and the NAP is again under serious attack by clever charlatans, sophists, nihilists and hermeneutists with
 PhDs and foreign accents. For reasons unknown his peers will not point out is logical errors. I did!
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« Reply #107 on: 2015-November-17 08:28:43 PM »

4 monthes ago. Transition to down the rabbit hole.

Finally, I have come back here having heard this podcast by Darrell Becker and NVC. And have since transcribed and re arranged portions of it that pertain.

Paraphrased: I saw NVC and Trivium (in addition see Covenant of Unanimous Consent and How I Found Freedom and Unfree World Direct Alternatives and Starting From Zero Technique, Casey's Fresh Starts, Phyla, Tucker's Steps to a better life and Mcelroy's The Art of Being Free and my soon to come Samsung Note 4 with Mediate your life maps, tables and demos) as tools. I was hoping other people would see these things as tools. Meaning there's an individual and very specific application whenever you're dealing with a tool.

A tool is something that's designed by the person who's using it and then it's applied **and then things happen....** [ and boy did things happen]

[Here we go this is the transition segway between the Covenant and practicing NVC]:

...I depart from traditional NVC by not calling values needs to people who are not trained in NVC. [I soon realized this prior to this podcast. Many get triggered by the word needs]

[These steps completed my release where he and now I use the 4 D's to translate visceral meaning much like the faux feeling translation].

I translate 4 D's into likely values and desires, which are the motives behind the utilization of any of the four D's so that I can then from there take it down a notch so I'm not then feeling the tension that happens or I would say the tension that happens automatically when I'm getting a demand [instead of a request], when I'm getting an unrequested diagnosis [of an evaluation] of myself when I'm receiving deserve [carrot or stick ] oriented language when I'm hearing a denial of responsibility [ response ability]. That could be a lot of tension. I translate that. I translate those things into saying oh I see that demand is a method of delivering a specific request. The request shows me what they're after. That unrequested diagnosis is them attempting to understand me by putting a label on me. That's the thing. So I see their quest for understanding.

And I do not use the following script for someone that I don't have a really deep tight connection with. I'm never going to be saying traditional NVC, when you do this, I feel this, because my need for this is not being met,  would you be willing to do this so my need for this can be met?  That can be very easily interpreted both as a demand and diagnosis because the other person can interpret this: when you do this I feel this, now you're responsible for my feelings and that is one of the subject to touch on [and consider] See needs confused with strategies.  See abundance of strategies. See direct alternatives. Talking points].

Who's responsible for one's own feelings and what about cause and effect? [You can be stimulated by another but ultimately it's how you translate it (method) and what you do with it.]

I'm starting with the Trivium [see my additions] method  and ending with the Trivium method all the time. I'm always taking in the grammar input and doing my definition work and always subjecting it to some degree of a logical analysis process and I'm always looking through the lens of the *rhetorical triangle that's going to be a departure from your traditional NVC teaching...

Definition: *Rhetorical Triangle: This is an explicit use of the knowledge and understanding of all the relevant factors (including internal and external applications of the OFNR and the 4D's) impacting the Author of a Message and the Audience who receives the Message. Surrounding the Rhetorical Triangle is the circle called Context (see Contextual Circle).

See
http://schoolsucksproject.com/practical-definitions-voluntary-communication-by-darrell-becker/

...I am always going to be looking at objective [ ] in addition to subjective [.] I realize that there's a variable of getting it wrong in the realm of the subjective that I could get it wrong in my interpretation of someone else's emotions or what motivates them. I could also get it wrong for myself I could be missing a key component. I certainly do some work periodically. I mean we all get to do some work in our private life to enhance our skill with these things. I could get it wrong about what I'm feeling sometimes or what motivates me. What motivates my feelings. If I'm only looking at a surface level of things of just frustration I  could be missing a deeper thing underneath that which would be sadness or grief or something such as anxiety. So those would be the departures of where I'm going as I'm trying to build something that is essentially using both objective and subjective qualities to try to understand what the purpose is  of my actions of my communications so they could get somewhere. So I have a tangible goal in mind.  I try to communicate that goal to whoever it is that I'm speaking with or writing to. I try  be clear about all these things. I have written down here to isolate, what are the claims? what are the concerns? what actions are being advocated by whom? Those are not traditional nvc things. You don't normally write those things down. That would be where I differ...

20 minutes into this is what I transcribed, excerpted and paraphrased except for a very interesting intro

See the below to get introduction and full meaning please

http://voluntaryvisions.com/2015/07/18/school-sucks-podcast-363-the-trivium-non-violent-communication-and-mind-control-a-response-to-gnostic-media-part-1-of-5/

I transcribed the following after Darrell Becker is introduced and makes an introduction:
Here he answers Gnostic Media Productions claims and concerns...

...There are very important concerns and claims made by other people regarding their own interactions with proponents of non-violent communication that's very important and real I think that it's real. I would say concerns that I brought up by people who are encountering other people using these skill sets and what I'm advocating personally is very different or I would say at least slightly different to sometimes even radically different from what many NVC users are doing so that's my little intro to this whole thing

Interviewer: can you just give it a little bit when when you say somewhat different to radically different like when we look at the traditional NVC model or I hate to call it a script but I did see a lot of people simply trying to use it as kind of this ad lib script originally and I'm not saying that everybody that I encounter that uses NVC doing that today but when you talk about you were departure where we're going to get into it more as the production goes on but just a preview it what would be the nature of your departure from traditional non violent communication

Darrell Becker: okay to summarize: it would be an emphasis upon internal application i.e. silent. It would be an emphasis on my own equilibrium. To try to speak in I statements when I'm using these tools. I'm using it just to gain a good stance emotionally. I'm using them to potentially enhance my own Trivium ( input or grammar, logic process and rhetoric or application) which is the other part. The objective.

So a lot of NVC in the way it's generally taught is huge amounts towards emotional literacy towards identifying feelings that are going on especially other people's feelings. To identify the motives that cause those feelings such as values and desires and they call them needs.

Now that being said as best as I could at that time I realize I did not post what NVC is about.

Watch "FULL - Nonviolent Communication Workshop - Marshall Rosenberg (2000) (Multi Subtitles)" on YouTube

https://youtu.be/UEqmZ2E1o64
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« Reply #108 on: 2015-November-17 09:46:39 PM »

Here is partial need behind the “no” MAP.

When I did not do what I set out to do, what need was I trying to meet? What need was I  trying to meet?


E.g. I am guessing connection with knowledge, Education, community

Mourning the need I did not meet
What need did I hope would be met, if I had done what I set out to do? 


E.g. I am guessing Empathy and Autonomy

How do I feel realizing in this moment that I did or another not meet this need? 


E.g. Sad and hopeful 

Moving Forward
Having connected with the “need behind my no,” and mourning the need I did not meet, do I want to renew, modify or cancel my set up with myself? If I would like to renew or modify, what is my new “Main Agreement”? 


E.g. Perhaps Practice Empathy before Education?


The Need I hope to meet with my new Main Agreement
What need(s) do I hope to meet by doing what I just decided to do? 


E.G. Healthy respectful connection collaboration and learning insights that come naturally cooperatively voluntarily 


What can I do right now to increase the likelihood that I will do what I have agreed to do in your Main Agreement?


E.G. Practice Self Connection Exercise map. Practise Self Mediation Map with chooser and educator voices. Practice Intensity Training Map with partner or friend.

If I do not follow through on my Main agreement, then I will E.G PIIP Progress by Incremental Improvement and Prototyping.

This brings sweet pain release from debilitating pain and brings stirrings of hope and celebration and the fuel to go on!  There is Table and Maps provided in link below.

It is a way to release pain that comes from Disconnected communication and behavior of Deserve (soldier you've been duped you deserve better), Diagnosis (you seem like a passionate guy, it would be cowardly), Denial of response ability (you have splinters I will) etc...


Some people call it forgiveness. I don't. I notice it either is or is not a release...


I carry such Maps on my Samsung Note 4. My way of getting to critical 20% of the 80 that's out there. You can teach yourself!

Downloadable Feelings, False Feeling Translation and Needs Tables here:
http://www.mediateyourlife.com/choosingpeace/

Downloadable Maps here: 
http://www.mediateyourlife.com/handouts/ 

Video demos here or individually on youtube:
http://www.mediateyourlife.com/practice-video-series/

This is useful. But not sufficient. On many levels. Aspiration falls to lowest level of training. And the training is about using 4 empathy steps of which most often times it is SILENT, which is the NVC way of viscerally embodying and creating the attitude and mindsets yearned for such as "curiosity, reconciliation..." and diagnosis of pathology. And that is helpful!

I addressed this in my linked post above and importance and relevance of having a Strategy Request to myself that gives me Direct Alternatives instead of Indirect which NVC can easily trap me in waiting for the other person.


I refer to Doug Casey Fresh Starts putting oneself at cause and around those who want to and can trade deals; Harry Browne and How I Found Freedom in an UnFree World Direct Alternatives; Jeffrey Tucker and Steps to a Better Life; and McElroy Art of Being Free but most especially Dennis Lee Wilson's Bare Minimums Covenant of Unanimous Consent as a FILTER to find the above individuals despite differences of age and rationality even if they don't know what a principle is...

Using both the NVC and a Bare Minimums as Direct Alternatives...on my Samsung Note 4 phone makes it possible to Progress by Incrementally Improving and Prototyping Knowledge of Best Teachers, Imagination of Big Dreams, and Creating Power Tool, Experience and Skill that did not exist before.


To make it possible to have access to peaceful and productive individual voluntarist embodiement, communication and inter-relationships to subscribers of liberty.

"A Direct Alternative is one that requires only direct action by yourself to get a desired result.

An indirect alternative requires that you act TO MAKE someone else do what is necessary to achieve your objective". ~ Harry Browne's "How I Found Freedom in an UNfree World"

When it is I ENSURING the Job of living peacefully and taking the Direct Alternative response ability and risk *of paying the price* to make good my life experience, reputation and on-going freedom--I am OBJECTIFYING Self Reliance, Security and Future Trade opportunities  with compatibles. Paraphrased form Harry Browne's "The Great Milk Robbery"; and 'Freedom Has No System--Challenge the premise. There is no “we.”' http://zerogov.com/?p=2334

In the copy below, emphasis has been added...
http://tinyurl.com/There-is-NO-WE

Each freedom is used to get another in an UNfree world.

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Preface:

As Thomas Hardy put it in his magnificent �The Man He Killed�:

Had he and I but met
By some old ancient inn,
We should have sat us down to wet
Right many a nipperkin!
But ranged as infantry,
And staring face to face,
I shot at him as he at me,
And killed him in his place.

This discovery � that the other guy is human � [including oneself] is dangerous to the War Party [culture] of every age and nation. It is why state propaganda [and education] machines work overtime in war and peace and why free speech [and Non Violent Communication] is rationed more sparingly than any other commodity.

Excerpt about Joyeux Noel by David Rosinger.

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig7/rosinger1.html

While Joyeux Noel depicts when, where, who, what and how peace broke out amongst the soldiers during WWI; AND while highest decorated “War is Racket” author and Marine Major General, Smedley Butler are BOTH magnificent conversational icebreakers for me, there is a distance there that is hard to reach into every day and live in…Point to yes…Live in no! Unless  I want to go the Enemy of the State route of Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning and Julianne Assange.

Likewise living in the world and tradition of a Remington Steele doppelganger, authors, poets, comedians (George Carlin), actors (Jimmy Stewart in Shenandoa) and or musicians (Buffy Saint Marie, DONOVAN, Glen Campbell, Pete Seeger, Peter, Paul and Mary, and Marlene Dietrich singing Universal Soldier) is closer but still too distant…

http://dennisleewilson.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=475.0

Sainte-Marie said of the song: “I wrote ‘Universal Soldier’ in the basement of The Purple Onion coffee house in Toronto in the early sixties. It’s about individual response ability for war and how the old feudal thinking kills us all.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Soldier_(song)

Indeed Women still believe that nice women have no needs/values; they sacrifice their needs for their family. Brave men have no needs; they’re willing to lose their lives to protect the equivalent of the king’s property. At the same time there developed this way of thinking, and created judicial systems based on retributive justice that reinforce the idea that carrot and stick are deserved.

Enforcing the will of the political class via  “prosecutorial philosophy of applied violence” based on enemy images and 4 D’s of Disconnected communication: Diagnosis, Deserve, Demand, Denial of Responsibility that are designed to escalate Enemy Images and violence instead of de escalate it. And people self divide and conquer with this language mind set every second, across continents, across thousands of years…

I believe that this way of thinking and behaving is at the core of violence on our planet.

This mindset is not very difficult to cultivate, because all it requires is getting people Disconnected from what’s really alive in them (their values and feelings) and other people.

I  posted a segway to NVC and Jeffrey Tucker’s “Steps to a better life” as alternatives to blame punishment paradigms of politicians and a culture enslaved by Enemy Imagery.

Currently these contrasting approaches are further displayed to great advantage in proto-dystopian Detroit…between private peace officers and LEO’s.

https://lilydane.liberty.me/blood-money-these-companies-and-people-make-billions-of-dollars-from-war/

Currently this alternative approach is further displayed to great advantage in my life: Non  Violent or Voluntarist Communication is the bridge I use to translate and work my way back to ChoosingPeace and live in it now in the present and presence of myself and others including Enemy images, fight flight freeze, chooser educator arch types, 4 D’s of Disconnected triggering voices…to make observations unconfused with opinions, feelings unconfused with faux feelings, values unconfused with strategy, empathy unconfused with sympathy, to cry all my tears of sweet pain from mourning my unmet needs and laugh all my joy of celebrating needs met and a natural inspiration to guess and learn.

http://www.mediateyourlife.com/choosingpeace/

Yes Dear reader I use maps and tables and video demos on my Samsung Note 4 to translate and clear myself of confusions interractively and PIIP, Progress via Incremental Improvement and Prototyping.

And here I integrate Voluntarist or Non Violent Communication with Human Action components: spontaneous order, methodological individualism, human ignorance strengthes, dissatisfaction and so on

https://disqus.com/by/atlasaikido/

I have come to prototype a language and Aikido like moves used to stand down a multi pronged accuser attack in person and to flow with spontaneous order and human ignorance etc. I will come back and write about my experience and newest prototype in early September. First week or second…

PART I.

When I took a snapshot of the article on Gordy, I noticed and sensed there was a paradox with Gordon Lightfoot, and a discovery to be made that relates to what I noticed about the Beatles and other artists including Ayn Rand. And perhaps why some were blown away when Bob Dylan talked to his audience…

I remember yearning for such connection written about or performed in the TV programs and later the music and novels that surrounded me and yet when I open my ears and my mouth the adaption and outcome in my life was much like Gordy’s lament. The emotional stress has been beneficial: alcoholism, strokes on stage, 3 marriages…master-singer-songwriter (fill in the equivalent) has survived it all!

I have come to think of it as the Gordon Lightfoot (musician) paradox or bind. Mastery in delivering magnificent empathy relief to his fans but not for himself or those in close contact.

I wonder if this is also the case for novelists? Such as Ayn Rand or those who take on the arch types of her characters, without a way to moment by moment match aspirations of learning, individualism, productiveness AND BENEVOLENCE to before during and after conflict, with mind, body and communication practice? And perhaps one reason of many the Beatles broke up and why it caught fans off guard? And why Bob Dylan interacted with his audience outside of his performance style only once in his whole career?

Dear reader (I am also reading this to find out where it leads), given what we know about ourselves in action, and in Fight Flight Freeze and such habits as the carrot and the stick, this is understandable is it not?

Isn’t also true that we raise ourselves to what we aspire to do but fall to our lowest level training and strategies…e.g. “My fans or co-workers love and trust me why can’t you”? ” You must be a Denier”.

So what’s alive in me? What makes my life better? And a way to notice and translate remnants of “the feudal thinking [and behaviour of Universal Soldier] that kills us all” that Buffy Saint Marie commented on, wrote and sang. See comments here as it relates to above.

https://tucker.liberty.me/hillary-clintons-knowledge-problem/

I have found and used three simple reflections of compassionate or Voluntarist, Non Violent Connection that are relevant gems to step into and speak peace and interact, whilst living in a spellbinding world of Enemy Images (institutional gang behaviour used to create, us Vs them, and strategy of divide and conquer) and complexity:

“I heard the other persons (or my own) need for respect.

Are you willing to say you heard that need?

How do you feel when you hear what you heard”?
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PART II
Bringing together Montessori, Gandhi and Carl Rogers…

Watch “John Kinyon on NVC-Mediation interview by Torsten Hardiess – Full Version” on YouTube

https://youtu.be/CrZsqi0TQn0

Watch “Ike & John’s Approach to NVC Mediation” on YouTube

 https://youtu.be/q2bE2hdVFrg

Sitting on park bench Pink Floyd style is actually a great way to start to practice being in a third chair mediation mind set and big mind and voice dialogue to release and clear issues and access insights and big dreams…

I am looking for partners to practise and expand on what’s alive in me or you? …Feel free to contact me or a friend to partner with or go it yourself and or with John and Ike.

Mediate your life practice video series

 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lq_D3d_m2dU

Making it possible to get the critical 20% in the form of maps and video demo practice sessions that you can use and practice with yourself and or form practice group for free…See resource links at end of this section and a tool you can carry around.

Would you care to join me on a jaunt of Marshal Rosenberg’s Non Violent Communication using Ike Lasater and John Kinyon’s Mediateyourlife and Choosepeace maps?

Here is the progression I used to connect NVC with Voluntarism Choice Language of Abundance Vs 4 Ds of Disconnected Obligation Language and high lights using intellectual lens, whilst referring to the empathy lens. It contains definitions of the terms I have been using so far…

http://schoolsucksproject.com/practical-definitions-voluntary-communication-by-darrell-becker/

http://www.tragedyandhope.com/critical-thinking-meets-critical-empathy/

Most importantly how this relates to say the practise of hearing the “Need Behind the no” and it begins to dawn on me why a map that covers that territory would come in handy as a pre during and post way to stay in choosing peace i.e. when one finds oneself triggered by something as simple as a no, it can be a surprise. Perhaps you too find voluntarism and creative thinking and respectful communication and behaviour sometimes eluding you? Lol

http://www.mediateyourlife.com/blog/2014/10/17/are-you-at-choice-how-we-take-away-our-own-power-choice-part-1/

The need behind the no description

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JIka2d6yoFE

The need behind the no demonstration

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UlhEtt0qYA4

Back to a creative solution and tool I used to uncover the above and continually progress on my Samsung Note 4. I came to realize this tool when I got some insight on Gordon Lightfoot and when I followed the Music NVC connection I made with him to an artice I wrote on Tim Ferris and the band Foreigner as it relates to creativity…

Downloadable Tables here:

http://www.mediateyourlife.com/choosingpeace/

Video demos here or individually on youtube:

http://www.mediateyourlife.com/practice-video-series/

Downloadable Maps here:

http://www.mediateyourlife.com/handouts/

PART III.

Regarding NVC and Creativity: If Tim Ferris can do it? Then? The critical 20% components needed to play drums with the group Foreigner, after a 5 day immersion course…and how he realized a fantasy dream. A follow-up from a TED talk on crash course immersions [1].

And this prompted me to come up with a 5 day crash course that starts with downloading Non Violent Communication into a tool already designed for interactive communication recording etc, with the critical 20% of article and links to demos, maps and tables for everyday practice and use in one place that one can carry with them and use during conflict and or to de escalate, and or to debrief oneself in a compassionate visceral way…so one can stay connected to creativity and freedom and loved ones…on many levels…

Similar to method Tim ferris used to fulfil his Big Dream to learn Japanese, swim and teach himself to tango with another in such a manner that made it possible to make it to semi finals of world tango championship…

I see three important aspects involved in creativity: Knowledge, Imagination, Creation.

Stephan Kinsella goes in to some (not all) of this in his article “Intellectual Freedom and Learning Versus Patent and Copyright”

http://dennisleewilson.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=692.msg1587#msg1587

Here an example of how they are inter-related:
KNOWLEDGE
World’s best teachers.
A Samsung Note 4 with NVC
maps that cover gamut of Voluntarist
Connected Communication territory

http://www.mediateyourlife.com/choosingpeace/

IMAGINATION
NEW ways to use knowledge to fulfill
Big dreams and have Connected Voluntarist Communication
with those around us especially loved ones and overcome
challenges of complexity (and
Fight Flight Freeze Flooding) and Obligation language

CREATION
A POWER (skill, experience and tool) for learning and communicating that did not exist before.

http://dennisleewilson.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=657.msg1620#msg1620

Indeed“A [particular] goal is not always meant to be reached [in entirety]. It often serves simply as something to aim at.” – Bruce Lee

PART IV
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« Reply #111 on: 2015-November-20 02:54:11 AM »

'You should work to put yourself “at cause over a situation”'. ~ Doug Casey paraphrased

“To secure freedom requires intelligence. It must be comprehended and self—asserted. To petition for it is to stultify oneself, for a petitioner is a confessed subject and lacks the spirit of a freeman. To rail and rant against tyranny is to manifest inferiority, for there is no tyranny but ignorance; to be consciuous of one’s powers is to lose consciousness of tyranny. Self government is not a remote aim. It is an intimate and inescapable fact. To govern oneself is a natural imperative, and all tyranny is the miscarriage of self government.The first requisite of freedom is to accept RESPONSEABILITY for the lack of it.”

 “The passage is quoted by Jim Davidson in this article at
http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2015/tle836-20150830-07.html
 
My friend Spencer MacCallum helped organise E.C. Riegel’s papers. An authorised, free, and complete version of A New Approach to Freedom is available on the web here. See Jims article.
 
Copies of the book in hard cover were still available from Spencer’s the Heather Foundation the last I heard. I very strongly recommend this book to anyone interested in the topic of money[ and. Here is a brief excerpt:  [see quote above]”
 
I see Doug Casey speaking to the chains he has removed and the Direct Alternative Action he is taking to be both a FIRST Hander and to be around those of LIKE kind e.g. phyles (in my case MOBILE Galt’s Gulches and Atlantis from Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged) of sovereign individuals in an UNfree world.

"You want to look for people who will trade things you want for what you can give them… or help them get. Not wages, deals.” ~ Doug Casey

Fresh Starts.
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« Reply #112 on: 2015-November-20 11:52:20 AM »

A glimpse into the world of The Covenant and NVC from an Aikido like mediation perspective using the following example.

Watch "Would-be bully gets #KOKESHED (nonviolent communication in action)" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/fv9u6Eh8wHs

Something to be aware of: Shortfall of Non Violent Communication and as used is that Kokesh was unwilling to accept an uncompromised “no”. Put the gentleman in a bind.

Saying it would be cowardice to avoid the truth…

http://connect.liberty.me/wp-content/uploads/sites/1892/2015/11/2015-11-13-14-56-14-1.jpg

The fellow veteran took a book and picked up a sticker when I believe he had said “no” prior to that…

One way to get out of wanting someone else to do something and create what in NVC is called a torn or compromised “no” (violent communication) is to make it possible to be in a non-vulnerable position to accept an uncompromised “no” respectfully and untorn in oneself.

I have come back to say the only way I have found to ensure that is walked thru here via The Covenant of Unanimous Consent used with Direct Alternatives
https://connect.liberty.me/the-covenant-of-unanimous-consent/

However there may and can be lingering feelings and thoughts.

My emphasis is on internal application i.e. silent. It would be an emphasis on my own equilibrium. To try to speak in I statements when I'm using these tools. I'm using it just to gain a good stance emotionally. I'm using them to potentially enhance my own Trivium (input or grammar, logic process and rhetoric or application) which is the other part. The objective.

Paraphrased from Darrel Becker: I see the following as TOOLS: NVC and Trivium (in addition see Covenant of Unanimous Consent and How I Found Freedom and Unfree World Direct Alternatives and Starting From Zero Technique, Casey's Fresh Starts, Phyla, Tucker's Steps to a better life and Mcelroy's The Art of Being Free and my Samsung Note 4 with Mediate your life maps, tables and demos). I was hoping other people would see these things as tools. Meaning there's an individual and very specific application whenever you're dealing with a tool.

A tool is something that's designed by the person who's using it and then it's applied **and then things happen....** [ and boy did things happen]

[Here we go this is the transition segway between the Covenant and practicing NVC]:

...I depart from traditional NVC by not calling values needs to people who are not trained in NVC. Many get triggered by the word needs]

[These steps completed my release where he and now I use the 4 D's to translate visceral meaning much like domination, punishment culture faux feeling translation to actual feelings].

I translate 4 D's into likely values and desires, which are the motives behind the utilization of any of the four D's so that I can then from there take it down a notch so I'm not then feeling the tension that happens or I would say the tension that happens automatically when I'm getting a demand [instead of a request], when I'm getting an unrequested diagnosis [of an evaluation] of myself when I'm receiving deserve [carrot or stick ] oriented language when I'm hearing a denial of responsibility [ response ability]. That could be a lot of tension. I translate that. I translate those things into saying oh I see that demand is a method of delivering a specific request. The request shows me what they're after. That unrequested diagnosis is them attempting to understand me by putting a label on me. That's the thing. So I see their quest for understanding.

And I do not use the following script for someone that I don't have a really deep tight connection with. I'm never going to be saying traditional NVC, when you do this, I feel this, because my need for this is not being met,  would you be willing to do this so my need for this can be met?  That can be very easily interpreted both as a demand and diagnosis because the other person can interpret this: when you do this I feel this, now you're responsible for my feelings and that is one of the subject to touch on [and consider] See needs confused with strategies.  See need behind no map. See abundance of strategies. See direct alternatives. Talking points].

Who's responsible for one's own feelings and what about cause and effect? [You can be stimulated by another but ultimately it's how you translate it (method) and what you do with it.]

Here is a partial need behind the “no” NVC Mediation MAP as it pertains.

When I  did not do what I set out to do, what need was I trying to meet?

E.g. I am guessing connection with knowledge, Education, community

Mourning the need I did not meet
What need did I hope would be met, if I had done what I set out to do?

E.g. I am guessing Empathy and Autonomy

How do I feel realizing in this moment that I did or another not meet this need?

E.g. Sad and hopeful

Moving Forward
Having connected with the “need behind my no,” and mourning the need I did not meet, do I want to renew, modify or cancel my set up with myself? If I would like to renew or modify, what is my new “Main Agreement”?

E.g. Perhaps Practice Empathy before Education and vice versa?

The Need I hope to meet with my new Main Agreement
What need(s) do I hope to meet by doing what I just decided to do?

E.G. Healthy respectful connection collaboration and learning insights that come naturally cooperatively voluntarily

What can I do right now to increase the likelihood that I will do what I have agreed to do in your Main Agreement?

E.G. Practice Self Connection Exercise map. Practise Self Mediation Map with chooser and educator voices. Practice Intensity Training Map with partner or friend.

If I do not follow through on my Main agreement, then I will E.G PIIP Progress by Incremental Improvement and Prototyping.

This brings sweet pain release from debilitating pain and brings stirrings of hope and celebration and the fuel to go on!  There is Table and Maps provided in link below.

It is a way to release pain that comes from Disconnected communication and behavior of Deserve (soldier you've been duped you deserve better), Diagnosis (you seem like a passionate guy, it would be cowardly), Denial of response ability () etc...

Some people call it forgiveness. I don't. I notice it either is or is not a release...

I carry such Maps on my Samsung Note 4. My way of getting to critical 20% of the 80 that's out there. You can teach yourself!

Downloadable Feelings, False Feeling Translation and Needs Tables here:
http://www.mediateyourlife.com/choosingpeace/

Downloadable Maps here:
http://www.mediateyourlife.com/handouts/

Video demos here or individually on youtube:
http://www.mediateyourlife.com/practice-video-series/

This is useful. But not sufficient. On many levels. Aspiration falls to lowest level of training. And the training is about using 4 empathy steps of which most often times it is SILENT, which is the NVC way of viscerally embodying and creating the attitude and mindsets yearned for such as "curiosity, reconciliation..." as opposed to diagnosis of pathology.

I addressed this in my linked post above and importance and relevance of having a Strategy Request to myself that gives me Direct Alternatives instead of Indirect which NVC can easily trap me in waiting for or convincing the other person.

I refer to Doug Casey Fresh Starts putting oneself at cause and around those who want to and can trade deals; Harry Browne and How I Found Freedom in an UnFree World Direct Alternatives; Jeffrey Tucker and Steps to a Better Life; and McElroy Art of Being Free but most especially Dennis Lee Wilson's Bare Minimums Covenant of Unanimous Consent as a FILTER to find the above individuals despite differences of age and rationality even if they don't know what a principle is...

Using both the NVC and a Bare Minimums as Direct Alternatives...on my Samsung Note 4 phone makes it possible to Progress by Incrementally Improving and Prototyping Knowledge of Best Teachers, Imagination of Big Dreams, and Creating Power Tool, Experience and Skill that did not exist before.

To make it possible to have access to peaceful and productive individual voluntarist embodiement, communication and inter-relationships to subscribers of liberty.

"A Direct Alternative is one that requires only direct action by yourself to get a desired result.

An indirect alternative requires that you act TO MAKE someone else do what is necessary to achieve your objective". ~ Harry Browne's "How I Found Freedom in an UNfree World"

When it is I ENSURING the Job of living peacefully and taking the Direct Alternative response ability and risk *of paying the price* to make good my life experience, reputation and on-going freedom--I am OBJECTIFYING Self Reliance, Security and Future Trade opportunities  with compatibles. Paraphrased form Harry Browne's "The Great Milk Robbery"; and 'Freedom Has No System--Challenge the premise. There is no “we.”' http://zerogov.com/?p=2334

In the copy below, emphasis has been added...
http://tinyurl.com/There-is-NO-WE

Each freedom is used to get another in an UNfree world.

https://connect.liberty.me/gordon-lightfoot-marshal-rosenberg-and-my-connection/

 
 
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If after reading this I find myself petitioning or supplicating then I have missed something.

To reset myself I come back here:

https://connect.liberty.me/the-covenant-of-unanimous-consent/

Preface:

As Thomas Hardy put it in his magnificent �The Man He Killed�:

Had he and I but met
By some old ancient inn,
We should have sat us down to wet
Right many a nipperkin!
But ranged as infantry,
And staring face to face,
I shot at him as he at me,
And killed him in his place.

This discovery � that the other guy is human � [including oneself] is dangerous to the War Party [culture] of every age and nation. It is why state propaganda [and education] machines work overtime in war and peace and why free speech [and Non Violent Communication] is rationed more sparingly than any other commodity.

Excerpt about Joyeux Noel by David Rosinger.

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig7/rosinger1.html

While Joyeux Noel depicts when, where, who, what and how peace broke out amongst the soldiers during WWI; AND while highest decorated “War is Racket” author and Marine Major General, Smedley Butler are BOTH magnificent conversational icebreakers for me, there is a distance there that is hard to reach into every day and live in…Point to yes…Live in no! Unless  I want to go the Enemy of the State route of Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning and Julianne Assange.

Likewise living in the world and tradition of a Remington Steele doppelganger, authors, poets, comedians (George Carlin), actors (Jimmy Stewart in Shenandoa) and or musicians (Buffy Saint Marie, DONOVAN, Glen Campbell, Pete Seeger, Peter, Paul and Mary, and Marlene Dietrich singing Universal Soldier) is closer but still too distant…

http://dennisleewilson.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=475.0

Sainte-Marie said of the song: “I wrote ‘Universal Soldier’ in the basement of The Purple Onion coffee house in Toronto in the early sixties. It’s about individual response ability for war and how the old feudal thinking kills us all.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Soldier_(song)

Indeed Women still believe that nice women have no needs/values; they sacrifice their needs for their family.

Brave men have no needs; they’re willing to lose their lives to protect the equivalent of the king’s property. At the same time there developed this way of thinking, and created judicial systems based on retributive justice that reinforce the idea that carrot and stick are deserved.

Enforcing the will of the political class via  “prosecutorial philosophy of applied violence” based on enemy images and 4 D’s of Disconnected communication: Diagnosis, Deserve, Demand, Denial of Responsibility that are designed to escalate Enemy Images and violence instead of de escalate it. And people self divide and conquer with this language mind set every second, across continents, across thousands of years…

I believe that this way of thinking and behaving is at the core of violence on our planet.

This mindset is not very difficult to cultivate, because all it requires is getting people Disconnected from what’s really alive in them (their values and feelings) and other people.

I  posted a segway to NVC and Jeffrey Tucker’s “Steps to a better life” as alternatives to blame punishment paradigms of politicians and a culture enslaved by Enemy Imagery.

Currently these contrasting approaches are further displayed to great advantage in proto-dystopian Detroit…between private peace officers and LEO’s.

https://connect.liberty.me/who-declared-war-on-who-and-intro-to-interposition/

https://lilydane.liberty.me/blood-money-these-companies-and-people-make-billions-of-dollars-from-war/

Currently this alternative approach is further displayed to great advantage in my life: Non  Violent or Voluntarist Communication is the bridge I use to translate and work my way back to ChoosingPeace and live in it now in the present and presence of myself and others including Enemy images, fight flight freeze, chooser educator arch types, 4 D’s of Disconnected triggering voices…to make observations unconfused with opinions, feelings unconfused with faux feelings, values unconfused with strategy, empathy unconfused with sympathy, to cry all my tears of sweet pain from mourning my unmet needs and laugh all my joy of celebrating needs met and a natural inspiration to guess and learn.

http://www.mediateyourlife.com/choosingpeace/

Yes Dear reader I use maps and tables and video demos on my Samsung Note 4 to translate and clear myself of confusions interractively and PIIP, Progress via Incremental Improvement and Prototyping.

And here I integrate NAP, Voluntarist or Non Violent Communication with Human Action components: strengthes of spontaneous order, methodological individualism, human ignorance and dissatisfaction.

https://connect.liberty.me/the-covenant-of-unanimous-consent/

I have come to prototype a language and Aikido like moves used to stand down a multi pronged accuser attack in person and to flow with spontaneous order and human ignorance etc. I will come back and write about my experience and newest prototype in early September. First week or second…

PART I.

When I took a snapshot of the article on Gordy, I noticed and sensed there was a paradox with Gordon Lightfoot, and a discovery to be made that relates to what I noticed about the Beatles and other artists including Ayn Rand. And perhaps why some were blown away when Bob Dylan talked to his audience…

I remember yearning for such connection written about or performed in the TV programs and later the music and novels that surrounded me and yet when I open my ears and my mouth the adaption and outcome in my life was much like Gordy’s lament. The emotional stress has been beneficial: alcoholism, strokes on stage, 3 marriages…master-singer-songwriter (fill in the equivalent) has survived it all!

I have come to think of it as the Gordon Lightfoot (musician) paradox or bind. Mastery in delivering magnificent empathy relief to his fans but not for himself or those in close contact.

I wonder if this is also the case for novelists? Such as Ayn Rand or those who take on the arch types of her characters, without a way to moment by moment match aspirations of learning, individualism, productiveness AND BENEVOLENCE to before during and after conflict, with mind, body and communication practice? And perhaps one reason of many the Beatles broke up and why it caught fans off guard? And why Bob Dylan interacted with his audience outside of his performance style only once in his whole career?

Dear reader (I am also reading this to find out where it leads), given what we know about ourselves in action, and in Fight Flight Freeze and such habits as the carrot and the stick, this is understandable is it not?

Isn’t also true that we raise ourselves to what we aspire to do but fall to our lowest level training and strategies…e.g. “My fans or co-workers love and trust me why can’t you”? ” You must be a Denier”.

So what’s alive in me? What makes my life better? And a way to notice and translate remnants of “the feudal thinking [and behaviour of Universal Soldier] that kills us all” that Buffy Saint Marie commented on, wrote and sang. See comments here as it relates to above.

https://tucker.liberty.me/hillary-clintons-knowledge-problem/

I have found and used three simple reflections of compassionate or Voluntarist, Non Violent Connection that are relevant gems to step into and speak peace and interact, whilst living in a spellbinding world of Enemy Images (institutional gang behaviour used to create, us Vs them, and strategy of divide and conquer) and complexity:

“I heard the other persons (or my own) need for respect.

Are you willing to say you heard that need?

How do you feel when you hear what you heard"?

Sourced from: Watch "9 Skills of NVC-Mediation - Nonviolent Communication -by Ike Lasater" on YouTube

https://youtu.be/h4FtM1bXS6o

Watch "5 Steps of NVC-Mediation - Nonviolent Communication - by Ike Lasater" on YouTube

https://youtu.be/Pso8RcuyDZY

When I hear the above, I am jolted...

And now I am re-examining what my concern with Gordy is truely founded on by a using a Mourn Celebrate Learn Process Demo walk thru?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hxKA4u6aNro

The paradox is perhaps my own unexamined blind side based on possible disconnect and the reason why it's helpful to do a Self Connect Process and Six Minute Exercise Elements of Empathy Level 3 Demonstration walk thru Ah!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UEKeInUHxZM

See the following link to get introduction and a wider intellectual perspective 20 minutes into this interview.

Paraphrased Transcript:

http://dennisleewilson.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=650.msg1846#msg1846

Sourced from here:

http://voluntaryvisions.com/2015/07/18/school-sucks-podcast-363-the-trivium-non-violent-communication-and-mind-control-a-response-to-gnostic-media-part-1-of-5/
The rest of the podcast, as it pertains to answering Gnostic Media Productions claims and concerns is not alive in me...

I notice 3 things.

One is that the short three sentences from Ike Lasater give me a simple RESET lens and tactic.

The other by Darrel, is the importance of noticing the wider deeper context of claims, concerns, goals, actions advocated AND feelings, motivations, triggering, equivalents of splinters of the mind, hurling 18 wheelers of logic and expecting someone to unpack the manifest list.

And thirdly the importance of maps from Choosingpeace that fit the territory. And that all three help me stay in connection with others and myself.

PART II
Bringing together Montessori, Gandhi and Carl Rogers…

Watch “John Kinyon on NVC-Mediation interview by Torsten Hardiess – Full Version” on YouTube

https://youtu.be/CrZsqi0TQn0

Watch “Ike & John’s Approach to NVC Mediation” on YouTube

https://youtu.be/q2bE2hdVFrg

Sitting on park bench Pink Floyd style is actually a great way to start to practice being in a third chair mediation mind set and big mind and voice dialogue to release and clear issues and access insights and big dreams…

I am looking for partners to practise and expand on what’s alive in me or you? …Feel free to contact me or a friend to partner with or go it yourself and or with John and Ike.

Mediate your life PRACTICE video series

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lq_D3d_m2dU

Making it possible to get the critical 20% in the form of maps and video demo practice sessions that you can use and practice with yourself and or form practice group for free…See resource links at end of this section and a tool you can carry around.

Would you care to join me on a jaunt of Marshal Rosenberg’s Non Violent Communication using Ike Lasater and John Kinyon’s Mediateyourlife and Choosepeace maps?

Here is the progression I used to connect NVC with Voluntarism Choice Language of Abundance Vs 4 Ds of Disconnected Obligation Language and high lights using intellectual lens, whilst referring to the empathy lens. It contains definitions of the terms I have been using so far…

http://schoolsucksproject.com/practical-definitions-voluntary-communication-by-darrell-becker/

http://www.tragedyandhope.com/critical-thinking-meets-critical-empathy/

Most importantly how this relates to say the practise of hearing the “Need Behind the no” and it begins to dawn on me why a map that covers that territory would come in handy as a pre during and post way to stay in choosing peace i.e. when one finds oneself triggered by something as simple as a no, it can be a surprise. Perhaps you too find voluntarism and creative thinking and respectful communication and behaviour sometimes eluding you? Lol

http://www.mediateyourlife.com/blog/2014/10/17/are-you-at-choice-how-we-take-away-our-own-power-choice-part-1/

The need behind the no description

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JIka2d6yoFE

The need behind the no demonstration

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UlhEtt0qYA4

Back to a creative solution and tool I used to uncover the above and continually progress on my Samsung Note 4. I came to realize this tool when I got some insight on Gordon Lightfoot and when I followed the Music NVC connection I made with him to an article I wrote on Tim Ferris and the band Foreigner as it relates to creativity…

Downloadable Tables here:

http://www.mediateyourlife.com/choosingpeace/

Video demos here or individually on youtube:

http://www.mediateyourlife.com/practice-video-series/

Downloadable Maps here:

http://www.mediateyourlife.com/handouts/

PART III.

Regarding NVC and Creativity: If Tim Ferris can do it? Then? The critical 20% components needed to play drums with the group Foreigner, after a 5 day immersion course…and how he realized a fantasy dream. A follow-up from a TED talk on crash course immersions [1].

And this prompted me to come up with a 5 day crash course that starts with downloading Non Violent Communication into a tool already designed for interactive communication recording etc, with the critical 20% of article and links to demos, maps and tables for everyday practice and use in one place that one can carry with them and use during conflict and or to de escalate, and or to debrief oneself in a compassionate visceral way…so one can stay connected to creativity and freedom and loved ones…on many levels…

Similar to method Tim ferris used to fulfil his Big Dream to learn Japanese, swim and teach himself to tango with another in such a manner that made it possible to make it to semi finals of world tango championship…

I see three important aspects involved in creativity: Knowledge, Imagination, Creation.

Stephan Kinsella goes in to some (not all) of this in his article “Intellectual Freedom and Learning Versus Patent and Copyright”

http://dennisleewilson.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=692.msg1587#msg1587

Here an example of how they are inter-related:
KNOWLEDGE
World’s best teachers.
A Samsung Note 4 with NVC
maps that cover gamut of Voluntarist
Connected Communication territory

http://www.mediateyourlife.com/choosingpeace/

IMAGINATION
NEW ways to use knowledge to fulfill
Big dreams and have Connected Voluntarist Communication
with those around us especially loved ones and overcome
challenges of complexity (and
Fight Flight Freeze Flooding) and Obligation language

CREATION
A POWER (skill, experience and tool) for learning and communicating that did not exist before.

http://dennisleewilson.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=657.msg1620#msg1620

Indeed“A [particular] goal is not always meant to be reached [in entirety]. It often serves simply as something to aim at.” – Bruce Lee

PART IV

Ah where was I?

Long long long ago Gordy lived wrote and delivered "in the early morning rain with a dollar in my hand, with an aching in my heart, in my pockets full of sand, I'm a long way from home, though I miss my love one's so, in the early morning rain with no place to go, out on runway number 9 big 707 set to go, I'm stuck here in the grass..."

For me geese are cackling, a flock of birds take off, ah yes, it comes to me now.

It is early morning again, somewhere, sometime, someone such as me or Gordy or perhaps you is dialing in or getting dialed into an intense unrehearsed role play of getting triggered in uncharted territory of Fight, Flight, Freeze, Domination Obligation language and mind set Habit... (I notice the solution is in the problem).

Why not rehearse a dialed down version of trigger Intensity Training with a partner? Tell the partner what you think triggers you?

Put up the time out flag the moment you feel the stir of FFF emotion! Step to a third chair of mediation and administer self empathy using a Self Connect map to bring it all down a notch.

What am I observing and feeling? "Curious and a little overwhelmed and agitated perhaps? Looking for my value and need for connection and clarity.

Am I still able to choose to have fun? Is there a please that I can hear, "Yes" and "Yes".

Come back to the conversation or article when clear and so on. Debrief.

Intensity Exercise Level 3 Demonstration
 
http://youtu.be/RW96aEeZqAA
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« Reply #114 on: 2015-November-21 05:55:01 PM »

I sometimes read: “We need as many converts as we can get etc etc”.

I say shennaggins to that.

It’s not necessary to convert nor petition others…nor is it necessary to adopt methods of those I despise to make people do things to the extent that it is a torn compromise.

Nor to social engineer…nor to convince, nor to run after people, nor to be in constant mediation mode, nor to have no idea with whom I dealing with.

Individuals still don’t know their own power.

Build your own model instead of fighting the existing. “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” ~ R. Buckminster Fuller

To this day many are unaware of spontaneous order of individuals in society and methodological individualism and human ignorance in making calculations for others.

Mathew Reece posted this as it relates https://liberty.me/discuss/t/tucker-vs-cantwell-on-refugees/

And I posted this: Natural laws playing out. Spontaneous order looks chaotic. However there IS a self correcting taking place here.

Both Tucker and Cantwell offer strategies, mind sets etc. Jeffrey is pointing out that NON INTERFERENCE with migration will allow individuals to sort out what Statism deems impossible without command control, social engineering etc

Cantwell falls for the WE have an emergency what are WE going to do? And the We-ist traps that come from such!

There is no WE!

https://Tinyurl.com/there-is-no-we

P. 44 of Wendy McElroy’s ebook “The Art of Being Free”: provided by liberty.me:

“…order espoused by Mises and Hayek was a spontaneous one in which individuals pursued their own diverse interests without coordination by a central authority. What does such an order look like?”

Mises is quoted as saying people are stupified when the phenomena of spontaneous order is pointed out. Wendy McElroy explains it in The Art of Being Free. Gene Callahan addresses it in Economics for Real People. The latter is free at Mises.org

There are two schools. One that believes human ignorance needs to be command controlled and social engineered, which is what some are proposing. The other is NON Interference, which is what Mises and Hayek and Jeffrey Tucker propose and which I point out specific examples of.

Who would have foreseen individual European women spontaneuosly demanding self protection in the form of hand guns in orders of magnitude such that they cleaned out all the retail gun outlet supplies in Germany in response to the flood of migrants in the EU. What started with a few women and outlets apparently affected a whole country.

And the same with individual refugees peacefully voting with their feet and fleeing from those who break the NAP, which IS affecting whole countries.

What better way to break the State welfare system than to take Direct Alternatives and if such overloads it and rushes it to its logical, economic conclusion–i.e. collapse, rather than dragging along for another 5 decades then so be it.

“A Direct Alternative is one that requires only direct action by yourself to get a desired result.

An indirect alternative requires that you act TO MAKE someone else do what is necessary to achieve your objective”. ~ Harry Browne’s “How I Found Freedom in an UNfree World”

I set up my life so that Direct Alternatives are the case. It is a series of next steps. It is a paradigm shift to rule myself and want to only rule myself!

A context I hold in an UNFree world (remnant division of labor/standing on Rand’s, Mises, Browne’s shoulders) is the personal choice to FILTER and place myself in situations where I will be around those compatible to non-initiation of force principles.

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The People Don’t Know Their True Power
By Mal Roarke from Connect Sep 2, 2015

…One school of thought leads to what I am pointing to which is each individual doing their own thing (not petitioning nor manipulating nor converting nor controlling) also happen to create a path thru the forest of complexity of Group Traps, which includes such things as self correcting pricing, making and delivering individual man power (comparative advantages that come with what Mises called the law of association) to whole cities and countries, which was not the intention of each individual nor within their capability as one individual to dictate…

http://www.walterblock.com/wp-content/uploads/publications/block-callahan_right-immigrate-2003.pdf

In the interim I suspect those who have access to barges, boats and yachts in Germany have a leveraged escape from recent mass migration flooding. Not the least of which is usually extra stored food supply and access to fishing. See end of article on Finland using shipping containers.

Some are presumably already living Seastead lives in various degrees of freedom. Some in the US keep their yachts for such an escape.

There are 15000 people living on barges in England.

Those who are owners of barges, boats, ships around the world could start to offer and post craigs list alternatives to the nation state.

Perhaps there is private security to watch over your house whilst you find birth on a barge on the Rhein?

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhein

Is it worth crossing the channel and spec-ing a fit for your boat that you want to lease or sell?

I explore this in later posts. Perhaps I should pop a note off to Bill Bonner?
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« Reply #115 on: 2015-November-21 07:22:16 PM »

The Right Speech Will Never Come.

And I submit: The Right Time Will Never Come.

Good evening, I will use the 2nd statement to answer the first.

Lots of good people are frustrated with the world, and I understand that only too well. They are, furthermore, eager for the world to improve, and I respect that a great deal.

Their problem arises, however, right on the heels of these desires, when they ask the question, “What should I do?” And that’s where the wheels fall off.

All the Popular Answers Are Wrong

The world is full of people who are glad to tell you what to do...

http://www.freemansperspective.com/right-time-will-never-come/

I would like to thank Paul Rosenberg for that idea.

http://www.freemansperspective.com/right-time-will-never-come/
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« Reply #116 on: 2015-November-21 07:34:47 PM »

I am a fan of How I Found Freedom in an UnFree World by Harry Browne. In the short time I have to speak with you I would like to share this gift with you:

A Gift for My Daughter

by Harry Browne

December 25, 1966   

(This article was originally published as a syndicated newspaper column, dedicated to my 9-year-old daughter.)

It’s Christmas and I have the usual problem of deciding what to give you. I know you might enjoy many things — books, games, clothes.

But I’m very selfish. I want to give you something that will stay with you for more than a few months or years. I want to give you a gift that might remind you of me every Christmas.

If I could give you just one thing, I’d want it to be a simple truth that took me many years to learn. If you learn it now, it may enrich your life in hundreds of ways. And it may prevent you from facing many problems that have hurt people who have never learned it.

The truth is simply this:

No one owes you anything.

Significance

How could such a simple statement be important? It may not seem so, but understanding it can bless your entire life.

No one owes you anything.

It means that no one else is living for you, my child. Because no one is you. Each person is living for himself; his own happiness is all he can ever personally feel.

When you realize that no one owes you happiness or anything else, you’ll be freed from expecting what isn’t likely to be.

It means no one has to love you. If someone loves you, it’s because there’s something special about you that gives him happiness. Find out what that something special is and try to make it stronger in you, so that you’ll be loved even more.

When people do things for you, it’s because they want to — because you, in some way, give them something meaningful that makes them want to please you, not because anyone owes you anything.

No one has to like you. If your friends want to be with you, it’s not out of duty. Find out what makes others happy so they’ll want to be near you.

No one has to respect you. Some people may even be unkind to you. But once you realize that people don’t have to be good to you, and may not be good to you, you’ll learn to avoid those who would harm you. For you don’t owe them anything either.

Living your Life

No one owes you anything.

You owe it to yourself to be the best person possible. Because if you are, others will want to be with you, want to provide you with the things you want in exchange for what you’re giving to them.

Some people will choose not to be with you for reasons that have nothing to do with you. When that happens, look elsewhere for the relationships you want. Don’t make someone else’s problem your problem.

Once you learn that you must earn the love and respect of others, you’ll never expect the impossible and you won’t be disappointed. Others don’t have to share their property with you, nor their feelings or thoughts.

If they do, it’s because you’ve earned these things. And you have every reason to be proud of the love you receive, your friends’ respect, the property you’ve earned. But don’t ever take them for granted. If you do, you could lose them. They’re not yours by right; you must always earn them.

My Experience

A great burden was lifted from my shoulders the day I realized that no one owes me anything. For so long as I’d thought there were things I was entitled to, I’d been wearing myself out — physically and emotionally — trying to collect them.

No one owes me moral conduct, respect, friendship, love, courtesy, or intelligence. And once I recognized that, all my relationships became far more satisfying. I’ve focused on being with people who want to do the things I want them to do.

That understanding has served me well with friends, business associates, lovers, sales prospects, and strangers. It constantly reminds me that I can get what I want only if I can enter the other person’s world. I must try to understand how he thinks, what he believes to be important, what he wants. Only then can I appeal to someone in ways that will bring me what I want.

And only then can I tell whether I really want to be involved with someone. And I can save the important relationships for those with whom I have the most in common.

It’s not easy to sum up in a few words what has taken me years to learn. But maybe if you re-read this gift each Christmas, the meaning will become a little clearer every year.

I hope so, for I want more than anything else for you to understand this simple truth that can set you free: no one owes you anything.

http://www.harrybrowne.org/articles/GiftDaughter.htm
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« Reply #117 on: 2015-November-21 08:33:13 PM »


The bombed and the aggressed against are on the march.

Indeed 21st Century militia is very effective–even without guns!

Freedom to Travel is already going on, on a grand scale when Statist, social engineers and command controllers say it was not possible.

If you don't believe borders are already closed try crossing without a passport.
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« Reply #118 on: 2015-November-22 10:39:45 PM »

Re: How I Found Freedom In An Unfree World by Harry Browne

This book is an attempt to apply libertarian philosophy as a template for a person’s entire life instead of just for the political realm, with most of its advice concerning personal relationships.

“You have tremendous control over your life, but you give up that control when you try to control others.”

The author tells you to embrace other people’s natures while listening to your own, and to go after your own interests above all others, even that of your family. This book could be retitled “Finding Freedom Through Selfishness,” and it’s pretty close to how I’ve been living my life the past ten years.

Instead of trying to change the broken culture I come from, change American women, or change bosses I didn’t like, I simply constructed a lifestyle from the ground up based on my personality and needs. Instead of protesting and trying to change the world, I changed myself (starting with learning game) and worked around the system to get what I want. This strategy has worked for me.

“You’re in the identity trap when you try to be interested in something because it’s expected of you, or when you try to do the things that others have said you should do, or when you try to live up to an image that others say is the only legitimate, valid image you’re allowed to have.”

The book encourages you not to bother trying to change the world. Work on changing yourself and finding your own happiness. Let other people waste their energy in fruitless endeavors where they must convince thousands or millions of people in order to make small, incremental changes. [Smashing fail] the herd and [epic win] beat to your own drum.

“Improve your own situation without having to go to the trouble of making others agree with your way of thinking.”

Read this book if you want a great motivator to get off your ass and make a big change. All the excuses you probably make to prevent yourself from acting will be addressed in this book, which is like a 4-Hour Workweekfrom the 1970s that covers all aspects of your life instead of just money.

“There’s always a way [to happiness]—as long as you’re not looking for ways to change others.”

Excerpted from
http://www.returnofkings.com/221/how-i-found-freedom-in-an-unfree-world
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« Reply #119 on: 2015-November-23 10:38:14 AM »

Hi Liz Jaluague. I think you summed it up!

I am very grateful to you helping me re-discover, connect and savour the following excerpt from Rule Your World by Harry Browne--which builds on my prior posts
--AND that perfectfully answers for me what you identified regarding Rick Rule's Request.

This is what is alive in me and makes my life better: to progress a gift to meet Rick Rule's concerns to provide both empathy and powerful practical information to young adults! And that addresses and resolves the philosophical truism traps you pointed out.

I imagine this: Hi, I'm Rick Rule I'd like to talk about The Golden Rule and something not often heard about: The Silver Rule...

...The Silver Rule

Nearly everyone is familiar with The Golden Rule, also known as the Ethic of Reciprocity: Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You; in other words, treat others as you would like to be treated. This lesson is present in ancient Greek philosophy and in all major religions, and it’s also regarded as a fundamental tenet of morality and human rights. Probably most people — including me — like to think they live by this credo. In my experience, it’s the foundation of empathy; and following it as closely as possible will allow you to avoid most of life’s problems.

However, The Golden Rule is one of those vague notions that can be difficult to define precisely. What exactly does it mean to treat others as you would like to be treated? And why should you? Because it’s "right" or "moral?" Who says? And why is that person an authority — especially for the whole world? How do you know? How can you tell whether someone is living by The Golden Rule? Maybe someone who treats others shabbily thinks he is living by The Golden Rule; maybe he’s a sadist because he’s also a masochist.

Besides being hard to define precisely, The Golden Rule also starts to break down when examined closely.

For example, I’d like strangers to walk up to me and hand me money for no reason. (So feel free to send a PayPal donation to my email address if that sounds like a good idea to you too.) By the logic of The Golden Rule, that means I should go around giving strangers my money for no reason. If I did that, I’d be bankrupt in no time, and it would be unrealistic for me to expect those funds to be replenished by someone treating me the same way.

This example is absurd in order to make the point, but one could easily think of 10 real-life, much more subtle examples. If a moral principle isn’t true 100% of the time, then how do you know when to follow it and when not to? And how can you expect someone to follow it in the same situations in which you would? If it’s okay for you to break the rule when you deem it’s necessary, why isn’t it okay for others to do so when they deem it necessary?

Harry rejected The Golden Rule as an unrealistic, trite platitude. Here are the three basic justifications for following it that Harry saw, followed by his responses:

It inspires you to treat others better.
No, it causes you to waste resources trying to change people’s fixed natures, either by persuasion or force, instead of figuring out how to deal with others as they are.

You’re creating a better world.
What does that mean? How do you know? Even if you’re right, the population of the earth is about six billion (adjusted to 2008), so my share of that "better world" is one/six-billionth, which is not a worthwhile return on my investment. And I’m not here to create a better world; I’m here to make the most of my own life.

It’s "right," so you "should."
Harry never heard a deeper reasoning than this; it begs the questions I asked earlier.

So Harry created what he called The Silver Rule. In my view, it’s not a rejection of The Golden Rule as much as an improvement, to make it and the reasoning behind it much more precise. The rule is this: be the kind of person with whom you wish to associate, because that’s how you attract those types of people into your life.

As an example, if you want to associate with — and don’t want to repel — honest people who don’t steal, and you don’t want to associate with — and do want to repel — thieves, then you should refrain from stealing and let others know, when it comes up, that you don’t steal and won’t associate with those who do.

This is much more precise reasoning than vague philosophical terms like "right" and "wrong," which nearly everyone agrees on, but with few can precisely define.

It’s also more precise than "because you wouldn’t want someone to do that to you," because that answer isn’t necessarily as self-evident as it seems. But even a sociopath can see the value to himself in the reasoning behind Harry’s Silver Rule.

This creates a clear, subjective view of "right" and "wrong:" what kind of people are you looking to attract?

And that subjective definition clearly answers many questions that would otherwise be subject to lengthy philosophical discussions and disagreements over vague terms like "right" and "wrong." For example, the question of whether it would be "right" to shoot a trespasser (for simplicity, let’s assume trespassing is all he’s doing) is answered by whether you would want to associate with someone who overreacts in such a way to such a minor problem. If you wouldn’t, then it would be wrong by your standards to shoot him.

You don’t have to reject the concept of objective morality to live by and apply the Silver Rule; Harry believed that there might be an objective morality, but he also believed that it doesn’t matter if there is, because everyone perceives everything — even the objective — subjectively.

Regarding this, Harry said, "At the very least, understanding the subjective nature of perception will spare you a lot of effort and despair. There’s no reason to ever lose your temper, because you won’t expect from others what they don’t have to give, or to be frustrated because you expected someone to react from your standards or knowledge. This fact about other people is a facet of reality, whether you like it or choose to accept it. If you fight it or deny it, it’ll cause problems for you."

And the beauty of the Silver Rule is it applies to virtually everyone, regardless of their beliefs.

For example, if you’re a Christian, you’re unlikely to convince an atheist not to steal because God commanded it, and He will punish people who disobey; even if you’re right, the atheist doesn’t believe it. You have about as much chance of convincing him not to steal based on God’s commandments as he would have trying to convince you not to steal based on his belief of there not being a God.

But no one — regardless of their religion or lack thereof, age, race, background, belief in subjective or objective morality, etc. — wants anyone to steal from them, so everyone can see the sense in not stealing in order to attract into their lives people who don’t steal, and to repel thieves, whom they want nothing to do with.

Harry advised following the Silver Rule at all times, because you never know when someone might be watching you.

That includes not compromising your standards because of your environment, unless it’s to avoid worse consequences (for example, you might steal or trespass if you were in a situation where you truly feared you might die otherwise, but you would still expect to suffer the consequences of your actions — including the damage to your reputation). So don’t justify your conduct to someone as being due to your environment at the time, such as being swayed by peer pressure. How does the other person know what you’d be like in another environment? Why are you even in that environment at all if it doesn’t suit you?

No One Owes You Anything...[Read more here]

Harry Browne Lives!
By Johnny Kramer
March 24, 2008
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2008/03/johnny-kramer/harry-browne-lives/

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