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« on: 2014-June-01 04:59:55 PM »

OnlyOne Agora
Links to this page:
https://tinyurl.com/OnlyOne-Agora
http://dennisleewilson.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=710.msg1699#msg1699



OnlyOne Agora --- A proposed solution


In my original message (copied below), I proposed a way to put an end to the unproductive and eternal bickering about imposed rules, proposed rules, alleged rules, implied rules, nuanced rules, who broke rules and how, and who said what about whom and when did they say it, and recent postings with such exciting titles as "Moderator Action Requiring ExCom Consideration" and "Motion to suspend xyz" as well as the recent exodus of the Ombudsman and other members on BOTH sides of the moderation issue.  

Are those really things that you expected to read when you joined a Hi-IQ society?




    A proposed solution:

    I propose that TNS provide a separate discussion forum/group that is specified as "completely and totally UN-moderated and to be ONLY used be members at their own discretion and at the risk of being offended. The ONLY requirement is current TNS membership.

    TNS currently has FOUR discussion groups of which I am aware--triplenine, facebook, linkedin and tns-excom--ALL of which are moderated.

    There is a painfully obvious demand among TNS members for just ONE discussion forum that is a free-for-all, anything goes, UN-moderated and use-at-your-own-risk. Such a site should be hosted by TNS so as to avoid additional conditions and restrictions imposed by hosts such as Yahoo!, Facebook, etc.


    What I see is this:
 
    Either

          Accommodate the obvious need for an UN-moderated discussion forum
  
    or
  
          Continue to alienate and lose members on BOTH sides of the moderation issue.




The proposal was summarily dismissed without further discussion by our Regent..:

    [tns-excom]---There is no need for such a forum to be set-up or administered by the society. Anyone is free to set up his own free-for-all list and invite whomever he wants to it. Just don't use the TNS name.

    Eric Zimmermann.



As Eric has suggested, and in the spirit of ggg and other independent projects by TNS members (and even the founding of TNS itself), I have created just such a forum. Because Mr. Zimmermann, as Regent, forbids the use of the TNS name, I have named it OnlyOne Agora. The OnlyOne Agora is offered as an additional, free benefit of membership in a One-in-a-Thousand (or higher) Hi-IQ group and is an alternative forum for those who have expressed frustration with the "moderation" that exists on the TNS and other forums, leading to the unproductive bickering and unnecessary conflicts described in the first paragraph above.


Welcome to OnlyOne Agora

The Agora refers to an open forum such as the Ancient Greeks embraced--see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agora_of_Athens

The OnlyOne is reference to the Only One in a Thousand individual who scores at or above the top 0.001 mark (0.1%tile) on tests that allegedly measure human Intellectual Quotient (IQ). [This mark is sometimes called the 99.9%tile or greater than 3 standard deviations.]

Instead of a thousand rules (or even only 999 rules), and in keeping with the OnlyOne theme, there is also OnlyOne "Rule" for this Agora:

  • Members must provide evidence of current or past membership in one of the several One-in-a-Thousand (or higher) Hi-IQ groups.

However, even OnlyOne "Rule" has several implications, many of which are positive. Because there is OnlyOne "Rule", there is no fee for membership, and consequently all members have "life" membership. Because there is  OnlyOne "Rule", there is OnlyOne way to be "expelled" and that is to lie about current or past membership and to have that lie exposed.

Because there are no fees, there is no Treasury and no Treasurer or Financial Officer--and no need for such. And, because there is no Treasury, there is also no need for concern about the loss thereof. Because of the Agora nature, there is no Editor because each individual edits and publishes his or her own posts. There is no President, King, Prince Regent, Pope, Dictator, Prime Minister, Large, Medium or Small Members of the Board nor Parliament nor Congress nor Politburo, et al., etc, ad nauseam --and no need for any of those positions of power, control and authority.  Because there are no officers of OnlyOne Agora there are no elections and no need for electioneering postings (although the OnlyOne "Rule" certainly does not forbid such). More importantly, there is NO Lord Chief High Executioner or Moderator ready to cut down flowers--or trees or weeds--before they can grow and bloom. Each individual member determines and controls who to read, what to post and read, and who and what to ignore or block.

Those are just some of the more obvious implications of the OnlyOne "Rule".  Imagine the massive network of overlapping implications that MULTIPLE rules entail--or look to the endless "rules" postings and debates stretching back to the very beginnings of various One-in-a-Thousand IQ groups.



As with other discussion groups such as Facebook, Linkedin, Yahoo, Google, Xing etc, OnlyOne Agora members must first create an account on a host. The host for OnlyOne Agora is Diaspora. [Apparently Google+ was copied from Diaspora--and then modified, of course, so Google could control things.] Unlike the "new, improved" Yahoo! discussion groups, Diaspora makes it easy to create posts using formatted text, graphics, pictures, videos and music and #tags. Posts can be "liked", "reshared" and comments can be attached. Undesired posts can be deleted from your view and original posts (but apparently not comments) by "undesirable" individuals can be blocked by the ignore feature--all under your personal control. Best of all, Diaspora, as its name suggests, consists of numerous independent hosting sites or "pods" around the world and is highly UN-moderated*, making it the perfect place to host OnlyOne Agora.

* Click to see: A note about "free speech" on Diaspora:

Come visit Diaspora and OnlyOne Agora. Bring with you--or rediscover--your Untamed Spirit of Personal Freedom!

Let a thousand flowers grow--without being mowed down before they can bloom.

This is how YOU can do it...:


OnlyOne Agora -- HOW TO JOIN


The OnlyOne "Rule" for this Agora:

                Members must provide evidence of current or past membership in one of the several One-in-a-Thousand (or higher) Hi-IQ groups.


The following link explains a bit about Diaspora.  

https://joindiaspora.com/

Near the top of that page, click "other pods" [ or click here..:  http://podupti.me/ ] and select a pod from the many available pods from around the world, Note that many are in Europe--OnlyOne Agora currently resides on a pod in the Netherlands but is accessible from anywhere. It is NOT necessary--nor even desirable--that all OnlyOne Agora members belong to the same pod.

When selecting an identity for yourself, keep in mind that your real name is needed* by the OnlyOne "Rule" (another implication!!). If you desire an anonymous account on Diaspora, it can be created separately.

   *Current TNS members need only spell their name as it appears on the List of Members. Others should offer some suitable evidence sent by email to DennisLeeWilson@Yahoo.com with the word "OnlyOne" at the beginning of the email title. Allow 48 hours for a reply.

When you have familiarized yourself with Diaspora [ https://wiki.diasporafoundation.org/FAQ_for_users ], click on "My Activity" [ found along the top line next to "Stream" ] and under that, find and click on "My Aspects". Click on "Add an aspect",  put "OnlyOne-Agora" (without the quotes), check the box before "make contacts in this aspect visible to each other" and then click the "Create" button.

Now, on the top line again, where "Stream" and "My Activity" are, further to the right is "Search". Click it.
Then copy the following address

  OnlyOne_Agora@diaspora.unprism.me

paste it into the search box and press "Enter". When the site comes up, click on "Add contact" which is just below the search results line, and then click "OnlyOne-Agora". A check-mark should appear and a scroll-down message saying that You have started sharing with OnlyOne.

At this time, you might want to read the Welcome that I constructed for other new Diaspora users:

https://diaspora.koehn.com/posts/162430


Contact and/or Find me at

 https://diaspora.koehn.com/u/dennisleewilson

When you have joined Diaspora, leave me a message either on Diaspora or at DennisLeeWilson@Yahoo.com with the words "OnlyOne" at the beginning of the email title. Allow 48 hours for reply.

While awaiting confirmation, explore Diaspora by clicking on "Stream" or create some #tags for things that interest you and click on the tag. The tag #NewHere will bring up several items of interest.
 


CAUTION: A Note about PRIVACY: THERE IS NONE! Anyone who believes that there is privacy on the internet is a fool who has not been following any of the news about the total lack of privacy on the web. Anything that you post can be accessed by anyone who has an ounce of determination to do so. Diaspora and OnlyOne Agora are no exceptions. User Beware!


This is how the world gets better. And it does not require people in elected positions directing creative energies and leading innovation. In fact, when elected authorities do get involved, most commonly through the use of rules and regulations, it grinds the innovation process to a halt. Political agendas take precedence. Let a thousand flowers grow--without being mowed down before they can bloom.


Dennis Wilson
Past Editor of Vidya (1991-1992)
Founder: OnlyOne Agora (2014)
https://tinyurl.com/OnlyOne-Agora

Re-discover your Untamed Spirit of Personal Freedom







P.S. Something that I just noticed: While posting about OnlyOne on Yahoo and Facebook, I realized that all the confusing, flashy and not so flashy advertising is missing on Diaspora!! I have been on Diaspora so long that I am spoiled.  Cheesy



* Click to see: A note about "free speech" on Diaspora:

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« Reply #1 on: 2014-July-23 08:25:12 PM »

 A note about "free speech" on Diaspora:
http://dennisleewilson.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=710.msg1708#msg1708

A note about "free speech" on Diaspora:

On the free web the network itself doesn't censor content. There's nobody in charge - and this is the reason these networks exist. Public pods/hubs however are subject to the laws of their local governing authorities - whoever they might be. If the content isn't legal - it is the hub/pod owner who is ultimately responsible for it and left holding the bag when the law comes knocking.

In the US, the millennium copyright act (allegedly) absolved network providers from copyright issues associated with the content posted (it is the responsibility of the poster, though the provider must provide a way to remove it). But that only applies to copyright. If the content itself violates local laws where the pod is located (e.g. kiddie porn), the provider is ultimately responsible for it and can be jailed because somebody else stores it on his/her server. For example, in Germany a lot of ISIS content is against the law, full stop. There are a lot of free web servers (both public and private) in Germany, all of which are subject to that law.

If you are just a member using a public site, you probably won't care about this distinction. But if it is your site - you need to be very concerned.

A solution: "host your own pod". Then you get to make the rules. If you use somebody else's server, the server (pod) owner gets to set the rules. On Diaspora (unlike other social media such as Yahoo or Facebook), if you don't like the rules of the pod owner, you can move to another pod or create your own--and still be connected to Diaspora and OnlyOne Agora.

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« Reply #2 on: 2014-September-01 11:11:26 PM »

The following is a re-formatted version of the invitation part from the first message.


Announcing: OnlyOne Agora

Members must provide evidence of current or past membership in one of the several One-in-a-Thousand (or higher) Hi-IQ groups.


A brief background:

OnlyOne Agora --- A proposed solution


In my original message on a Triple Nine Society discussion board (copied below), I proposed a way to put an end to the unproductive and eternal bickering about imposed rules, proposed rules, alleged rules, implied rules, nuanced rules, who broke rules and how, and who said what about whom and when did they say it, and recent postings with such exciting titles as "Moderator Action Requiring ExCom Consideration" and "Motion to suspend xyz" as well as the recent exodus of the Ombudsman and other members on BOTH sides of the moderation issue.  

Are those really things that you expected to read when you joined a Hi-IQ society?




    A proposed solution:

    I propose that TNS provide a separate discussion forum/group that is specified as "completely and totally UN-moderated and to be ONLY used be members at their own discretion and at the risk of being offended. The ONLY requirement is current TNS membership.

    TNS currently has FOUR discussion groups of which I am aware--triplenine, facebook, linkedin and tns-excom--ALL of which are moderated.

    There is a painfully obvious demand among TNS members for just ONE discussion forum that is a free-for-all, anything goes, UN-moderated and use-at-your-own-risk. Such a site should be hosted by TNS so as to avoid additional conditions and restrictions imposed by hosts such as Yahoo!, Facebook, etc.


    What I see is this:
 
    Either

          Accommodate the obvious need for an UN-moderated discussion forum
  
    or
  
          Continue to alienate and lose members on BOTH sides of the moderation issue.




The proposal was summarily dismissed without further discussion by our Regent..:

    [tns-excom]---There is no need for such a forum to be set-up or administered by the society. Anyone is free to set up his own free-for-all list and invite whomever he wants to it. Just don't use the TNS name.

    Eric Zimmermann.



As Eric has suggested, and in the spirit of ggg and other independent TNS projects (and even the founding of TNS itself), I have created just such a forum. Because he, as Regent, forbids the use of the TNS name, I have named it OnlyOne Agora. The OnlyOne Agora is offered as an additional, free benefit of membership in a One-in-a-Thousand (or higher) Hi-IQ group and is an alternative forum for those who have expressed frustration with the "moderation" that exists on the TNS and other forums, leading to the unproductive bickering and unnecessary conflicts described in the first paragraph above.



Welcome to OnlyOne Agora

The Agora refers to an open forum such as the Ancient Greeks embraced--see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agora_of_Athens

The OnlyOne is reference to the Only One in a Thousand individual who scores at or above the top 0.001 mark (0.1%tile) on tests that allegedly measure human Intellectual Quotient (IQ). [This mark is sometimes called the 99.9%tile or greater than 3 standard deviations.]

Instead of a thousand rules (or even only 999 rules), and in keeping with the OnlyOne theme, there is also OnlyOne "Rule" for this Agora:

  • Members must provide evidence of current or past membership in one of the several One-in-a-Thousand (or higher) Hi-IQ groups.

However, even OnlyOne "Rule" has several implications, many of which are positive. Because there is OnlyOne "Rule", there is no fee for membership, and consequently all members have "life" membership. Because there is  OnlyOne "Rule", there is OnlyOne way to be "expelled" and that is to lie about current or past membership and to have that lie exposed.

Because there are no fees, there is no Treasury and no Treasurer or Financial Officer--and no need for such. And, because there is no Treasury, there is also no need for concern about the loss thereof. Because of the Agora nature, there is no Editor because each individual edits and publishes his or her own posts. There is no President, King, Prince Regent, Pope, Dictator, Prime Minister, Large, Medium or Small Members of the Board nor Parliament nor Congress nor Politburo, et al., etc, ad nauseam --and no need for any of those positions of power, control and authority.  Because there are no officers of OnlyOne Agora there are no elections and no need for electioneering postings (although the OnlyOne "Rule" certainly does not forbid such). More importantly, there is NO Lord Chief High Executioner or Moderator ready to cut down flowers--or trees or weeds--before they can grow and bloom. Each individual member determines and controls who to read, what to post and read, and who and what to ignore or block.

Those are just some of the more obvious implications of the OnlyOne "Rule".  Imagine the massive network of overlapping implications that MULTIPLE rules entail--or look to the endless "rules" postings and debates stretching back to the very beginnings of various One-in-a-Thousand IQ groups.



As with other discussion groups such as Facebook, Linkedin, Yahoo, Google, Xing etc, OnlyOne Agora members must first create an account on the host. The host for OnlyOne Agora is Diaspora. Unlike the "new, improved" Yahoo! discussion groups, Diaspora makes it easy to create posts using formatted text, graphics, pictures, videos and music and #tags. Posts can be "liked", "reshared" and comments can be attached. Undesired posts can be deleted from your view and original posts (but apparently not comments) by "undesirable" individuals can be blocked by the ignore feature--all under your personal control. Best of all, Diaspora itself is highly UN-moderated*, making it the perfect place to host OnlyOne Agora.

Come visit Diaspora and OnlyOne Agora. Bring with you--or rediscover--your Untamed Spirit of Personal Freedom!

Let a thousand flowers grow--without being mowed down before they can bloom.

This is how YOU can do it...:

      https://tinyurl.com/OnlyOne-Agora

Click the above link and scroll down to...




Dennis Wilson
Past Editor of Vidya (1991-1992)




* Click link to see: A note about "free speech" on Diaspora:
http://dennisleewilson.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=710.msg1708#msg1708
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« Reply #3 on: 2014-September-27 06:08:09 PM »

Apparently Google+ was copied from Diaspora
http://dennisleewilson.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=710.msg1718#msg1718

http://www.gizmag.com/diaspora-google-plus-resemblance/20638/

Spot the difference: Diaspora vs. Google+

By James Holloway

November 28, 2011
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Compare... - the Diaspora stream forms the hub for its users.

Compare... - the Diaspora stream forms the hub for its users.
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We've been keeping one eye on aspirational social network Diaspora since its inception, and now that it's rolling out the invitations ahead of its forthcoming Beta, and having apparently addressed the security issues of the past, we took the Alpha for a spin. The first thing that strikes you is just how much the user interface resembles that of Google+, from its three-column layout, down to the specific content of those columns and more besides. But given the gradual rollout of the Diaspora Alpha it may not be immediately clear to new users just who is mimicking whom.

    ...and contrast - The Google equivalent.
    Diaspora's new user sign-up screen.
    Diaspora's new user sign-up screen having pulled information in from Facebook. Users can c...
    A new user's first look at the Diaspora stream.
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How do I resemble thee? Let me count the ways

Say you've just signed up to the Diaspora Alpha. You've logged in, maybe you've pulled some data in from your Facebook account, and you're ready to get social. Diaspora presents you with a three-column social hub, the central one of which is the main draw: a reverse-chronological "Stream" of updates from other Diaspora users. Status updates have been king of social content since Facebook updated its wall design in line with the minimalist status-centrism of Twitter. Google+ and Diaspora have since jumped on the speedboat, and without a better idea it would have been remarkable for them to do otherwise. Both Diaspora and Google+ refer to this rolling feed as the "stream".
Compare... - the Diaspora stream forms the hub for its users.

Beyond the focus on live content, the resemblance of Diaspora to Google+ is striking, down to some curious details. Top of the left-hand column is your profile picture, and beneath that is a list of your contact groups with which you can filter the stream. Google+ users will be familiar with these as "circles". Diaspora refers to these groups, somewhat confusingly, as "aspects". Rather nattily, Diaspora lets you filter by any combination of aspects you choose whereas Google+ only lets you view the recent activity of all contacts, or that of an individual circle, at any one time. When posting updates to either service (neither of which have a character limit), users can share with any combination of contact groups they deem appropriate, and as with Google+, Diaspora allows users to create as many of these groups as desired, as well as assign contacts to multiple groups.
...and contrast - The Google equivalent.

The similarities continue in the right-hand navigation column, which is topped by an array of contacts' profile photos with a link to all contacts beneath, and below that is an invitation link to bring friends into the service; all of which is more or less exactly as it appears on Google+. And lest we overlook the wood for the trees, a broader side by side comparison reveals very similar column widths, use of white space and fonts. And so far we're not even off the front page. Navigate to a user's profile and the similarities continue, down to the blue edit profile button in the top-right corner (if it's your own profile that you're looking at, you narcissist).
A curious chronology

Though Google+ launched in June, and Diaspora only seems to have been shipping out invitations to its Alpha with any sort of aggression over the last month or two, it would appear that it is in fact Diaspora that has influenced the design of Google+. An image posted to Diaspora by user claudionegri79* shows what purports to be a Diaspora screen grab from May of this year with nearly all of the common design elements in place the month prior to the launch of Google+.

A September post on the Diaspora blog confirms the chronology, if only explicitly with reference to aspects. "We're proud that Google+ imitated one of our core features, aspects, with their circles," the blog post says.

Cosmetics aside, it's this ability to organize contacts in a way that may better reflect real world social groups that is the core similarity between the two services. Since it is a feature that is at the forefront of the Google+ advertising campaign, it's notable that it appears to have been borrowed outright from Diaspora.
Hashtags, apps and "reshares"

It's only natural that companies should be influenced by rival products, and Diaspora isn't above folding established social features into its service, albeit with a Diasporan twist. The most immediately apparent is the use of hashtags a la Twitter. New users are prompted to enter their interests as hashtags upon sign-up as a means of meeting new contacts, and then to post their first public message to the Diaspora community introducing themselves and their hashtagged interests.

All public messages containing hashtags can be browsed from the left-hand social column, although at present this results in a stream of new users declaring their interest in said topic. Exhibits A, B and C: #books, #movies and #music hashtags. The idea of rolling public conversations on these topics is a compelling one (and Diaspora's hashtags feel less ephemeral than Twitter's), but for now, Diaspora is a very noisy place to hang out.

Hashtags extend to personal profile, where Diaspora asks you to describe yourself in five tags, which is an oddly uncomfortable experience if you have an ounce of introspection about you. Another import from Twitter is the retweet-inspired ability to "reshare" status updates and images posted to the service.

With cubbi.es, Diaspora is embracing the world of apps. Written by Diasporia's Daniel Grippi, cubbi.es is a neat tool to archive and share photographs found on the web, though you'll need a browser extension to do so. It's then but a simple matter of shift-clicking any photo on the web and it'll be shared (publicly, mind) on Diaspora.
More open, yet more closed

It's heartening that the Diaspora team are encouraged by their apparent influence upon the social networking industry on matters of privacy and user control, particularly given the sad news of the recent death of Diaspora cofounder, Ilya Zhitomirskiy, who referred to himself as a dragon slayer "for freedom, privacy, and openness" on the Internet. As we've discussed, Diaspora was founded on principles of user privacy, security and openness, and these are principles that Diaspora still appears to take seriously - the software remains open source, and is still reliant on its funding model of user-contributions rather than advertising.
All in all...

There are one or two minor annoyances with the Diaspora experience. At the moment the website runs noticeably more slowly than its rivals, and the animated user icons (mercifully rare) really have to go. But beyond such minor quibbles, Diaspora has grown into a tremendously useable social network with a feature set as admirable as its founding principles. It comes doubly recommended to Google+ users, who will feel immediately at home with many of its features and UI. Funny that.



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as soon as you mentioned Facebook my eyes and ears auto folded shut Facebook, people I don't want to know again, oh wait, my girlfriend, she and I used to date in High School and found each other again on Facebook,, nope, no more Facebook for me, I have my girlfriend back
Bill Bennett
28th November, 2011 @ 09:51 pm PST

Looks like Google is the new Microsoft!
SDX2000
29th November, 2011 @ 03:57 am PST

Saying that Google was inspired by Diaspora is shall we say...very amusing. Obviously an "opinion" to be taken with a grain of salt.

Well before the Diaspora guys even set up their Kickstarter bid, Google was working on the + interfaces (there were many). Let's just say that there was no cross pollination here. Diaspora copied by Google - give me a break.
Soltron
29th November, 2011 @ 01:39 pm PST

@Soltron: It most certainly WAS based on Diaspora. Diaspora has been visible to programmers, developers and those wanting to self host for a year now. Google is a big corporation, and it is not at all unthinkable that once word got about the many people were investing to Kick Start the Diaspora project, someone at Google wasn't taking a look.

Suddenly Google just pops out with something that looks SO much like something that has been used by people for months prior? yeah... sure, what a coincidence.

I left G+ months ago, during the #nymwars and have never looked back.

I don't have my facebook account connected to it, or twitter etc, I use it for what it is, a clean, nice, FOSS . Now a few hundred thousand happy users, increasing daily.

Facebook User
30th November, 2011 @ 02:44 pm PST

I should also mention re: Diaspora - here is a screen shot from the summer of 2010. More than a year ago... G+ wasn't even a sparkle in it's daddy's eye yet:

http://www.gizmag.com/diaspora-release-first-images-and-video/15608/
Facebook User
30th November, 2011 @ 02:46 pm PST

I've been using Diaspora for about a year. That is WAY before G+ rolled out. I can honestly say that the functionality of aspects, page layout, etc started with Diaspora first. Consider that four guys were doing the vast bulk of the programming for Diaspora as compared to G+ who has however many more developers working on G+.

Diaspora is open source, so it would be easy to see what the devs at Diaspora were working with and on. If anything, Diaspora now has more functionality than G+ or FB with the added benefit of being more respectful of one's private information. Does Diaspora have issues? Of course it does. It is still in Alpha. But honestly, The most trouble I've had with it was in the first week. I haven't had any major issues since then. YMMV, Yadda, Yadda, Yadda.
Beki
30th November, 2011 @ 07:40 pm PST

For over 4 years, the big guys Google, Microsoft and others visit our site daily. I feel they are looking to see what new start ups are launched and copying whatever they can find.

It is very frustrating as a small business knowing the big guys are really watching you.

Optify.net is a great tool to keep an eye on who is visiting your site.

Sandy
socialnetworks
9th January, 2012 @ 07:32 pm PST
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